• Katana314@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I have a little bit of a story in gun safety.

    I haven’t touched a gun in a decade. When I did, it was an unloaded demo beretta used by the navy.

    When commenting on the Internet about safe gun handling in regards to the Alec Baldwin trial, I professed “Well, safe gun handling is not always obvious for all firearms. For instance, the methods to safely handle and unload an old fashioned revolver, the kind often on TV, when it’s already loaded and its hammer is back, is ridiculously complicated. Only a professional should handle that.”

    This comment resulted in a reply from a gun nut insisting I was a moron, and had no idea what I was talking about. Feeling 80% sure of my knowledge of revolvers, I looked it up on YouTube, and boosted it to 100%.

    To explain: If a revolver’s hammer is cocked, the cylinder is locked and you can’t just open it to take out the bullets. Plus, any gentle trigger motion or even hard knock will loosen the hammer and fire the bullet (supposedly, some newer revolvers are safer, but these don’t show up on TV shows). The stupid thing is, there’s no special switch or motion to release the hammer in a clear, safe way. So, the only way to unload the gun starts with blocking the hammer with a finger, then pulling the trigger, releasing it. Then you can open the cylinder.

    But the aggravating headline was me, a pure gun commenter who only knows about them from video games and internet debates, knowing more about their safety than a self-professed gun nut.

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      3 days ago

      Remember kids, video games love to teach you about how cool guns are but never teach you how to safely handle them.

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    3 days ago

    On a serious note, if you find a gun and you don’t know how to handle it safely, don’t even pick it up.

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      It’s wild to me that there’s a place on earth with a chance of just randomly finding a gun lying around

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      To take this a bit further: don’t touch it at all. You don’t know where that gun has been or what it’s done. If you touch it, you become a suspect in whatever crime was committed.

      I don’t typically advocate for this, but in this case, call your local LEO and move away from the weapon. But make sure nobody else (kids especially) don’t come grabbing it up after you.

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    I went through the comments, and I’m still lost. What is the punchline here? Is a long string of bad gun safety decisions by multiple people funny, or am I completely missing the joke?

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      I know how to be safe, suggests unsafe thing.

      That’s not safe! Does even worse thing.

      Pretty standard joke setup.

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      PoorlyDrawnLines comics are like that, they’re silly and simple. I’ve seen better ones, this just happened to be recent

      What I found slightly funny about this one was that ‘shooting all the bullets out’ is how it works in games if you want to make a weapon useless

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    Honestly working class people should all be educated in basic gun safety. Its pretty fucking simple Things like operating a safety, Checking to see if there is any live ammunition in the chamber, Racking the slide to clear the chamber after removing the magazine, Emptying the magazine. Even field stripping and cleaning/ lubrication of a firearm.(if that’s too much for you just stick to revolvers and bolt action long guns)

    But since nixon and reagan(who was the first American politician to push for gun ownership restrictions with support from the NRA via the mulford act after the black panther party was making strides advocating for civil rights by participating in protests open carrying long arms and side arms) Killed American education standards to prevent a highly educated proletariat now a majority of Americans cant even handle basic diy car maintenance let alone know how to use a firearm.

    And today neo liberal centrists are the primary definition of what right wing maga morons consider leftists to bewhen in reality true leftists want guns to prevent the fascist takeover of our society we have slowly witnessed and were attempting to warn all of our fellow Americans about despite those warnings going ignored due to ignorant or intentional downplaying.

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      Or you could try living in a first world country that doesn’t live in denial of its gun problem.

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        There’s unfortunately no possible way for the government to solve this issue. They can’t go door to door and take people guns. And people won’t willingly give them up because then they are vulnerable to attack. It’s sadly unsolvable. Higher regulations for new purchases would help but thathat doesn’t stop all the existing weapons.

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        Our gun problem in the usa is a symptom of our problem with deteriorating conditions caused by the deregulation of capitalism. The school Shooting phenomena is not new, it first manifested as the “going postal” phenomenon but now with both parents having to work and kids having shitty support structures because they are being bullied by other kids starved of proper parental guidance/nurturing these kids are getting to their parents guns and taking out their frustrations mostly on people that have bullied them and anyone standing in their way or who did nothing to stop the bullies. It doesnt take a genius to see the reality here. There was a very good documentary i saw in the last decade or so pertaining to the phenomenon.

        Asking the government to be a paternalistic nanny state and protect us from Ourselves a short sighted naive way to deal with the issues.

        Also most of the guns have concentrated into the hands of fascist sympathizers because democrats have been brainwashed by centrism/ neo liberalism And think its a leftist ideal to want to disarm the nation and let police continue to murder people with impunity and give citizens even less recourse to protect ourselves. And also the economic environment we are in has punished true leftists with abhorrent economic conditions snd most of su struggle to survive and afford housing nevermind be able to afford a $1500+ rifle and ammunition and we just rely on grocers and the industrialized murder industry of livestock to provide our packaged dead animal for nutrition so many are so far removed from reality and if things fell to shit in a revolution most neo liberal’s would not last a month on their own probably even less than that if they have renounced gun ownership and taken up pacifism as their answer for the deteriorating state of western neo liberal Democracy (which lacking economic democracy and blatantly opposed to it is actually an undemocratic class dictatorship)

        But keep telling yourself everything will be ok and bow down to accept the bloodless right wing coup the heritage foundation project 2025 authors have planned and has obviously been in the works for the last 4 decades at least.

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      How about educating people on the dangers of guns AND just prohibit all guns so that gun related violence can finally go down?

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        How about we dont let the concentration of power skew even more towards the hands of fascists than it already is? I mean it must be nice to live in delulu lala land where we can eliminate guns from society but so long as inteligent people exist and 3d printers are consumer goods (not to mention a thriving black market) there will always be ways around laws. I think the world would be a much better place if the mulford act never passed and if the wild west OK panhandle mentality of everyone has a gun persisted. Disarmjng the working class so that police and bureaucrats more than willing to enrich themselves with bribes from capitalists can be the final arbiters of who should and should not posses the means for self defense is just such idealistic nonsense. The world would be a better place if wall street military and prison industry profiteers were scared of the workers instead of the other way around as we have today.

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      It’s really easy to get a drivers license, yet there are still idiots on the road killing each other and themselves by driving cars. The ones that think they’re good drivers are usually the worst.

      Educating people on gun safety and giving them reason to believe that they’re good with guns… Yes, it’s a recipe for having a lot of idiots with guns.

      The only gun safety that actually works is not having guns. Guns are designed to kill and that’s what they’re gonna do when used.

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        Removing guns from citizens will only allow them to concentrate into the hands of the wealthy, and their militarized forces.

        Neo liberalism has failed the working class and parroting the idea that we must restrict peoples freedoms to protect them from themselves is not only dumb its disingenuous and patently false.

        If people weren’t educated on using cars they would be EVEN WORSE drivers. Also all the restrictive rules on driving like artificially low speed limits actually make it less safe for good drivers.

        We killed education standards in this country to make things more conservative and thwarted leftist populism to allow full devolution into authoritarian fascism.

        now remind me, did drug prohibition/ restrictions result in decreased supply and demand or did it instead just increase the black market value of these still in demand products while funneling people a majority of which are marginalized poor and working class, into prisons so correctional corporations could siphon tax dollars into their profits and simultaneously profit off of legalized slave labor? How will restrictions on gun ownership be any different?

        More people die from Vehicular manslaughter every year than guns, should we further restrict automobile use?

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          concentrate into the hands of the wealthy, and their militarized forces.

          They already have weapons incomparable to those of civilians and also have resources to produce much more. Try to fight with military of any reasonably strong country with all the millions of guns of US citizens lol. This is such a bogus claim.

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            Yet why was the US military unable to gain a decisive victory in north korea, Vietnam, or afghanistan? To name just a few instances where the level of military capability didn’t do enough to combat the will and resilience of the indigenous population.

            I would rather die fighting against fascists than lay down my rights and submit to class dictatorship in a wage slave hellscape that isnt even worth living and participating for.

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              Cause militia there have enough resources (these are state actors). Civilians didn’t resist alone with their guns.

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          If you want to compare guns to drugs, then consider that legal drugs prescribed by a doctor are generally safe and that the prescription in small quantities hinders people from doing stupid stuff with it. You can’t compare drug abuse of illegal drugs to legal firearms. That is better compared to illegal firearms. Of course people do crazy stuff with illegal drugs and guns with or without education.

          Maybe Americans need to have a prescription for ammo.

          Iinstead of banning guns, which is impossible with all the existing guns, how about limiting ammo, so that people can still get a few rounds if they need to use their legal firearms to shoot rattle snakes or whatever the fuck they realistically need legal guns for.

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            You don’t know a thing about harm reduction then if that’s the analogy you’re choosing.

            Limiting people’s access pushes them to the black market.

            We are at the point of full fledged fascist authoritarianism in america and neo liberals still want to take guns away from the workers. Man you all really guzzled down the corpo kool aid.

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              There are 400 million guns in America.

              Exactly 0 of them has been used to take down the fascist regime.

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                How many guns were used by African Americans before and after reconstruction? Do you not know the history of the civil rights movment and the black panther party using guns to advance their anti fascist cause?(something that even the NRA detested and so chose to support the disarming of the working class) did you know the two biggest growing demographic of gun owners today are colored women and LGBTQ people?

                Also it goes without saying that we haven’t had a leftist uprising since leftism has virtually been erased From the chat since the 1980’s and supressed to the point that most people believe neo liberal right leaning centrists cosplaying as leftists and believing that ballot box socialism/reform is actually a plausible way to remedy a system Entirely corrupted by corporatists. But right now we are definitely at a precipice where we are closer than ever to a class war and i would rather die in the furtherance of that cause than be provided some half ass sense of security through the deprivation of my civil right to own a firearm. I personally am sick of this consumerist capitalist hellscape we’ve had beaten over the head our entire lives as the only way a civilized society should function while we produce disposable useless consumerist garbage, waste 1/3 of all food produced that isnt sold for a profit to make billionaires even richer while enough homes and apartments sit empty to provide ebery homeless person over a dozen homes,

                In the words of Marx “any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary”

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                  So, do you think there’s a realistic chance of a violent leftist rebellion now?