I posted the following: "I am trying to make a shower gel that has a scent but is not toxic to either humans or aquatic life. And I have a hard time finding anything for the latter. Essential oils and derivatives? Nope. Synthetic ones? Nothing. I could go the unscented route, but it’s going to be hard to sell. So, considering that most of you are better informed about this topic, is there a specific ingredient that I can use for a rose fragrance that’s truly non toxic? Thanks "
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability. The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes. What the hell is going on there? I am going to stay here for much longer since that place is turning very weird. Also, can anyone here actually help me find a fragrance ingredient that won’t kill aquatic life when poured down the drain? Thank you in advance
Sadly any substances related to showering are percieved as dangerous by the stereotypical reddit mod. :D
This is the best comment I read all year. Thank you for the laughs.
Hi-ooooo!
Oof even all the way on Reddit they had to have felt that burn lmao
Watch out. They might send an bitcoin assassin after you. One who could run you over with a mobility scooter or stab you with an insulin pen.
It’s all just bots masturbating other bots over there.
30 years ago I expected this, but thought it was going to be sexier.
The future fucking blows.
The future fucking blows.
Based on your comment that’s exactly what it’s not doing lol
Loving the reddit hate train here but to answer your question, there doesn’t appear to be any non aqua toxic rose fragrances. Even rose water can be aqua toxic. This is due to the fact that geraniol (the compound primarily responsible for a roses’ scent) is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Have you considered other light, floral scents OP?
Given the trend of recent posts in here. I’m going to guess that the word “toxic” triggered the automod.
I actually think you may be onto something.
Based on that logic, maybe reworking it to use ‘toxin’ instead would get it boosted…
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability.
/r/soapmaking might have some advice. There is a lemmy equivalent !soapmaking@sh.itjust.works but it doesn’t look very active.
The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes.
I’ve always struggled with Reddit’s arcane rules. I rarely know why my stuff is deleted. shrugs I don’t really post there anymore, just lurk.
If it is any consolation – It was most likely a robot.
Like 99% of large reddits are almost entirely moderated by a modbot, and the modbot is stupider than your average LLM assistant (and LLM assistants aren’t very smart), while also being extremely strict.
Let us rejoice, for that error rate creates new fediverse members.
I can’t argue with that.
We left Reddit because of the drama. Dont bring it over here. Instead, just place your question on lemmy
Who knows? This is Lemmy
could you use embedded flower petals?
I could, but I need to check whether this is a perfectly safe option since the aim is fragrance and zero toxicity to water life. I didn’t consider this option before, so thank you.
Organisms have incredibly complex biochemical makeup. Flowers will contain minute levels of formaldehyde and other toxic compounds. If there is no floor on what it takes to be “toxic,” then only 100% purified chemical compounds could be included.
It would be better to determine what “safe” levels are based on regulatory body recommendations and then try to stay under those.
I admit I was taken aback by the certifications provided by pure oils. I will talk about it with a few labs and see if perhaps things could work. Although I still would have preferred to go with something 100 percent safe.
Even a large volume of water can be toxic to humans. I learned this by playing The Sims.
I assume you mean by
investingingesting and not aspiration / drowning. Yes, this is the case.As someone else wrote more succinctly in this post, “The dose makes the poison.” If we don’t quantify the risks from a given exposure, saying something is toxic or non-toxic really has no meaning.
Well, in The Sims it more involved a swimming pool and a disappearing ladder.
How sad is it that fresh water is probably long term a good investment
I’ll correct my typo.
I second this—you can distill your own rose water from flowers. I’m sure you can find flowers to ethically source that would be quality for this purpose.
Edit: oh I see you said rose water is toxic to marine life? That’s unfortunate
Just fyi, most people came here to get rid of reddit. There are a few communities that revolve around reddit for those with nostalgia. Might be the best plae to ask as much as this community is about asking questions.
Fuck reddit
In general, Reddit has made the move that all big name old social media have made (except maybe like Snapchat? I can’t think of any other exceptions) and kowtowed to corporate advertiser money, rightwing misinformation and bigotry, and the egos of oligarchs such as Elon Musk. This is essentially done to make the fat cats in the corporation richer.
I was able to find your deleted Reddit post [EDIT: understanding now that you were referring to posts across multiple subs]. My best good faith guess [for r/frangrance] is that the mods may have considered it to be within the scope of the “No medical advice or health questions” sub rule? Navigating to even find the sub rules was difficult since the mods have attached them via a link that immediately redirects to an account sign-up page. My workaround to even read the rules was to copy the link and change the “www” to “old” and it worked.
[EDIT, continued: For r/zerowaste, the only good faith issue I can see — and it’s a stretch — is the verb tense of “[Crafting] Posts must be something that you have made yourself.” Since you haven’t yet made the fragrance in full, maybe they don’t allow WIPs or for others to help with WIPs?
I don’t see anything with r/sustainability’s rules that would apply. They do have a “No Surveys” rule but there are other posts that do solicit input and advice, so that apparently doesn’t apply to your post.]
You might find Lemmings who are happy to help with your fragrance situation on any of these communities:
https://lemmy.world/c/askscience
I suppose this could be the case , although a strange decision to limit the discussion only on the smell aspect. You should be able to talk about ingredients. Anyway, like I said, il stick around here more. Thank you for the links, I will definitely check them out.
Reddit is owned and operated by assholes. Don’t even try to use it.
I still use Apollo, so nobody gets a dime from me anyway.
If you’re engaging with the content you are contributing to it
Yeah, there’s the whole ai thing. I don’t know, I got the (clearly wrong) idea that a dedicated sub may have dedicated specialists…
If you’re posting from a third party reddit app, that might be the problem.
Can they even see that I am not using the official app?
Yes. There are hooks that show what APIs and apps the data uses as a pathway. My guess is that the mods have nothing to do with the content being removed. It is the upload verification process. I’m not going to recommend going back but posting from a browser will verify whether this is the problem.
Yup, just get the hell off Reddit. And Twitter. Both of those cess pools.
I deleted my Reddit account of, was it 11 years? More? Anyway, sometimes I miss being able to comment there whenever I come across someone kind, or some idiot. But then I think, boy, morally, I feel better not partaking. Lemmy is the future for now. I’ll abstain from the cancer.
X is where people I want to follow post unfortunately. If they posted on mastodon, I would use that more. As it stands, a lot of people and creators I want to keep up with are only on a few select platforms at the moment. Maybe that’ll change in time but I doubt anytime soon. Same situation with YouTube, I’d like to stop using that too but it’s the only place to find certain things (small example: individual magicians who sometimes perform on Penn & Teller also post their own videos on YT only.)
Understandable.
You go where you need to go sometimes. I don’t follow anyone on Reddit or Twitter that I can’t abstain from or get similar content. I guess I’m lucky.
This is one small example, but I get notifications on developer livestreams for new models and new API updates and feature releases. The OpenAI sub itself is not only too many hours late in publishing any of them, but it’s also only a fraction of the updates coming directly from the company itself. This extends to many other orgs and people I follow.
I’m a developer so I like to have quick access to new info to many frameworks and languages (and other lead devs that post updates.)
I think some mods are overly jumpy with chemistry type questions because uninformed morons will confidently answer the wrong thing and the mods are afraid it will get someone hurt. That or the subs in question just aren’t geared for this kind of Q&A. You’d probably get better responses from a chemistry subreddit.
Scent compounds being potentially hazardous to some minor degree in their super concentrated form isn’t a huge issue, because that’s not how they’re going to be experienced and it’s hard to find anything that isn’t harmful in some quantity. The alchemist Paracelsus, who pioneered evidence backed approaches to pharmaceutical medicine wrote the old adage “The dose makes the poison.” Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it all at once, and pure oxygen is an extremely dangerous substance even though we need it to breathe.
That said, I happen to know a bit about chemistry and just did a bit of reading. It looks like rose oil comes in two forms - one produced by steam distillation, and one produced by solvent extraction. The one produced via solvent extraction is more common, more concentrated, and according to Safety Data Sheets (SDS) I was able to find, has more potential health hazards associated with it. The other form, known as Rose Otto, is produced via steam distillation and is less concentrated. This means you will need more and will need to adjust your formulation, but according to the SDS this is a pretty safe substance. If your concern is potential hazards of making your soap during manufacturing, then that may be a better option I guess. I still think that it’s fine to use substances that are toxic in quantities that will never make it into the final product.
