- Nick Clegg, former Meta executive and UK Deputy Prime Minister, has reiterated a familiar line when it comes to AI and artist consent.
- He said that any push for consent would “basically kill” the AI industry.
- Clegg added that the sheer volume of data that AI is trained on makes it “implausible” to ask for consent.
If abiding to the law destroys your business then you are a criminal. Simple as.
Good, then it should die
If I ran the zoo, then any AI that trained on intellectual property as if it were public domain would automatically become public domain itself.
The audacity… If our technology isn’t allowed to break the law, it will fail. Therefore we should change the law.
The issue is that they want to change the law only for themselves. Distributing a partially reverse-engineered, cleansed from evil, modded and made good version of Windows NT that would give us the feeling of W2K and compatibility with Windows device drivers, for example, they don’t want to make legal.
Generally yes, laws are subject to common sense and are changed when common sense dictates so.
I think the law should be changed; copyright law is kind of a mess, but I don’t know how to make it better. It would also need to be changed in a way that’s fair, which these companies absolutely do not want; fairness would mean the end of laws like the DMCA.
The current system is far from perfect and needs an update but any change in their spirit would make things worse.
Yes, I know I’m doing something illegal (stealing and reselling IP) but it’s in service of something legal (continuing to be rich). You can’t punish me for doing bad things while rich, it would undermine your entire legal system.
Indeed. Simply that. If a business is not sustainable without breaking the law, it is not a business, it’s a criminal organisation.
If your industry can’t exist without theft then your industry doesn’t deserve to exist, pretty simple.
Copying isn’t theft, the original still exists. Just like watching pirated movies.
If someone pirates a movie for home use its no big deal because yes. If someone pirates a movie and then opens a movie theatre and starts charging people to watch the movie that’s an entirely different matter. AI is a business generating income, not a person skipping out on a $4 rental fee.
The AI industry doesn’t want to abolish or reform copyright law, they just want an exception so that they can keep appropriating shit. On the contrary, they’re pretty mad that AI stuff isn’t covered by more copyright.
AI bros are not on the side of open culture.
I’m going to start an AI company then I can legally pirate anything I want.
I wonder how these companies will gatekeep their special AI status.
With hundreds of millions of dollars.
Well that was the irony I was attempting to point out. People took it quite literally tho.
Copying isn’t theft, the original still exists. Just like watching pirated movies.
Shit take when the results are used for profit. Most of us that pirate aren’t legally monetizing our stash.
As long as people get punished for pirating media, corporations need to license their shit just as well.
Cool, so I can torrent without a VPN now?
Oh, only the super rich can benefit. How convenient.
if something so simple can kill an entire industry, that industry should not exist.
Good, I think it should be killed.
AI or the music industry?
AI. Rich people trying to change the law to get richer via shady means is a huge no from me every time.
I have a proposition. Raid them with police and search their computers for stolen data like you would do with your citizens.
If being declined concent is going to kill your industry then maybe your industry deserved to die.
Fucking rapist mentaility right there.
My thought exactly. If consent isn’t needed, what other actions do they deem justified without consent?
This is not a IP-issue, this is about human rights.
Pure entitlement mindset.
If your business is not able to stay afloat while providing fair compensation to those whose labor is used, whether employee, co-owner, or third-party, you are not entitled to keep running it. Society doesn’t have a duty to prop up wealthy thieves.
If a business cannot survive without breaking the law, then it is not a business but a criminal organisation.
Contrary to popular belief among useful idiots, copyright and patent laws are not there to protect the working class.
If copyright and patent laws actually protected workers, why have we not seen rulers fight back against them until now?
This should be eye-opening to most of you, but that would involve admitting you were wrong.
Most people can’t do that.
oh noes
Look, these goddamn assholes have got in their head that they have a right to profit.
NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO PROFIT.
You have a right to try to create a profit and there are rules to that. You’re gonna lose your billions in investment if you can’t plaigerize content?..fuck you, your loss, and you shoulda fucking known better when the idea was presented to you.
Assholes
Cool, so I’ll get started on building an automated business that sells cheap access to all the music, movies and shows on the streaming services.
Getting consent for each title would basically kill my business and would be implausible, so I’ll just assume it’s ok.
