Honestly disgusting how the media overlooks this. No idea what these children have ever done. Irrespective of what side you support this is genocide and this should not be tolerated.
“noooo these children voted for Hamas they deserve every bit of suffering they get”
Fucking assholes.
These children can’t have voted for hamas. The last election in Palestine was in 2006.
Well I’m sure they would if we would let them not starve until the next one. Ben and his psychotic entourage, probably.
They will see all of this and serve as warriors in the next generation of hatred. Just like the other side too.
And I wonder how many of those who voted for them in 2006 are still alive…
Crazy how people acc think like this
Children didn’t vote for the Nazis in the 1930s either but they still died when we bombed German cities. Children die in wars, it’s an unfortunate fact, and Hamas just declared war on their neighbours.
Israeli children die: “bomb all of Gaza, kill as many kids as needed until Hamas is over”
Palestinian children die: “it’s just war, mate, what can I say? War sucks :(”
Screw this crap.
There’s a huge difference between an official declaration of war and warning civilians and sneaking in in early morning and killing them in their beds isn’t there?
I’m sorry but from where I am looking, whenever a civilian is killed, it’s a tragedy.
And that includes Israel as much as Hamas.
Unfortunately we don’t live in an ideal world and we have to weigh things up sometimes that aren’t pleasent.
So Israel can win because it’s stronger. In a nutshell.
This was the top story on NPR’s up first podcast today. They didn’t exactly blame Isreal directly, but they also didnt defend Israel and suggest this is somehow justified. They stuck pretty close to here is what is happening on the ground, here’s voices of those affected, this is a humanitarian tragedy and will only get worse. They mentioned a woman in Gaza rationing milk for her baby due to the food shortage, that stuck with me. So I guess #notallmedia.
The coverage on the NYT The Daily podcast was spot on what I would expect from the outlet that cheared us into invading Iraq. Trash podcast, I don’t know why I’m still subscribed. Should have dumped it after they spent a whole episode making a martyr out of the praying football coach.
NPR’s coverage has been very good so far. They are trying their best to remain impartial in a difficult situation where there is a humanitarian crisis. I think it’s the right thing to do. The media doesn’t need to point fingers at Israel when they can just report the facts and people can see where the blame lies.
I’ll second this. Every time they mention the Israeli casualty toll, they mention the Palestinian right at the same time.
While interviewing someone about Israeli response, they took the time to raise the question about plans for Palestinian civilians (unfortunately the answer was “we must destroy Hamas”, clearly indicating the civilians dying is perfectly fine by him).
Washington Post and Voxx have had a really good article as well, as well as a podcast about it on there today I learned show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-attack-gaza-intelligence/
https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history
Also, this is crazy:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Israelis themselves in Israeli media: our own president propped up Hamas until we reached this here attack today
International media: Baaaa it’s Hamas’ fault! Do you condemn Hamas? I said, do you condemn Hamas?
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Was Pravda ever telling the truth?
Imma save this comment as an example of the word “capitalism” being used as a weird boogeyman by lemmies, such a joke lmao
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Uh ok dude?
Now tie that into capitalism please
It used to be that newsrooms operated at a loss because news was seen as a valuable service for the people. Now they have to turn a profit. That means lower budgets, not pissing off advertisers, and peddling sensationalist bullshit designed to rile people up so they engage more.
Newsrooms were not operated at a loss. Newsrooms and the business side rarely interacted so as to keep up the appearance of journalistic integrity. That is what degraded in the 80s/90s when media companies became focused on profit rather than the service they provide
What about non profit news orgs that run under capitalism? Plenty of european countries have national news outlets that don’t turn in profit.
This is what I mean, such a good example of the lemmy boogeyman lmao
You asked the OP to tie it into capitalism. I did that. I’m aware that state funded news exists.
This is what I mean, such a good example of the lemmy boogeyman lmao
I’m gonna assume you thought you had something there, I’ve no idea what though.
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Can you not use ableist language when insulting people, please?
No. Do as I ask. Tie that into capitalism please. If you can, of course.
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Capital loves Israel, especially the military industrial complex.
Sure, maybe it’s not a very direct link, but it’s part of what the people in power want.
Capital loves Israel
What
maybe it’s not a very direct link
Yeah no it’s not
Gaza has a population of 2+ million and HALF those are under 18? What? That’s a crazy statistic.
That’s what war and siege does. People lose children a lot so they have more children.
This is what it means to live in Gaza:
0–14 years: 44.1% (male 415,746/female 394,195)
15–24 years: 21.3% (male 197,797/female 194,112)
25–54 years: 28.5% (male 256,103/female 267,285)
55–64 years: 3.5% (male 33,413/female 30,592)’
65 years and over: 2.6% (male 24,863/female 22,607) (2018 est.)
Edit: source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
Well yea, every area that suffers long wars suffers from that. In Niger 50% of the population is under 15. I saw so many kids looking for work it hurt my soul.
Poverty in the US is a solvable joke by comparison.
And those kids will grow up hateful and resentful of Israel, which will make it easy to mold them into the sort of people who commit the atrocities Hamas committed. Israel is creating their own future problem.
Yes. Even if Israel “eradicates” Hamas, the idea is still there, and with the trauma that these adults and children have gone through would probably take decades to heal, and even then many won’t heal at all and become extremists.
Israel is creating their own future problem.
Which monsters like Netanyahu love. More excuse for genocide and conquest.
Kids in Germany in the 40s experienced bombing, and went on to form the European community with countries that were responsible for said bombing and acknowledged their country was in the wrong for voting in the Nazis. Why can’t Palestinian kids have the same emotional realisation?
Because Germany didn’t then exist under decades of apartheid where they were denied basic services just due to the accident of their birth. Even East Germans had it far, far better than Gazans.
The Nazis played on Germans agrievement over how they were treated post WW1 to gain support, Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.
Are you actually claiming Israel has no culpability when it comes to the suffering of the people of Gaza?
Yes, and when you do that, no journalists will chase you to scream, “BUT DO YOU CONDEMN ISRAEL?”
No, not no culpability, but understandable reasons for what they’ve had to do for their own safety over the years.
One would think not escalating situations might be better for their own safety…
Seems to be the escalation was Hamas invasion of their country on Saturday from where I’m sitting.
Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.
Just FYI, Gazans are refugees who were forced to the Gaza strip by… ISRAEL! Woohoo.
Yes, war creates refugees, always has. Maybe all those surrounding nations that went to war with Isreal should have considered that.
Israel didn’t exist there prior…
They took land (rather, were given land by western empires that wasn’t there’s to give) and kicked out and killed those who were there. Yeah, that’s didn’t create any resentment at all I’m sure and it’s all the attacks that happened in response that caused it.
Someone else can always be blamed. To act like Israel doesn’t share in the blame is probably one of the most ignorant statements I’ve heard.
Actually, we did have the right to give out that land as we won it from the Ottomans.
And the Ottomans had the right to the land because…
Adding onto the other poster’s comment, another reason is because the US will never pour unlimited money and resources into these people making sure they do.
Europe didn’t pull itself up by its own bootstraps after WWII.
Why can’t Palestinian kids have the same emotional realisation?
75 years of collective trauma
and more than decade living in the open air prison
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Who would have thought that cutting energy and infrastructure along with limiting food supplies would cause a humatrian crisis in a densely populated camp…
Just yesterday fake news said, Gaza residents deserve it and Israel has every right to do it.
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We are so worried about AI destroying us, yet here we are bombing children on both sides. We are the problem.
If anything can distract Oprah from the land of Maui this may be it. /s?
The Palestinians I’ve met who moved to Canada, were surprised that I didn’t have horns as a Jewish person. Some less funny stereotypes too but that one was… surprising given the physical proximity of Gaza to Jewish settlements.
I’ve made some friends with people who came from there, and once they’re comfortable with opening up, what they say about the education over there makes perfect sense as to why the hate continues.
When you’re teaching kindergarten kids to stab or drive over Jews, not Israelis, Jews there’s not much hope for you to NOT be a terrorist.
The UN needs to do a better job of deradicalizing the education system over there, how that happens is way beyond my understanding.
I’m not saying Israelis can’t be assholes, but I’m absolutely positive they’re not teaching that hate in their education system.
but I’m absolutely positive they’re not teaching that hate in their education system.
I don’t know about that, but I know they do it in the army: https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2010/aug/17/israel-palestinian-territories
If Israeli authorities taught Israelis that Palestinians are not sub-human, you would not have all these Israeli Palestinians now being fired from their jobs, and you would not have these shitty photos from that Guardian article, in which this is described as “widespread”.
Dehumanizing Palestinians is Israel’s first and foremost tool… without it, you cannot make people commit atrocities. Jews were also dehumanized during the holocaust to reach the same result of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
You think Israel should continue to allow Gazans to cross the border and work in Israel after war has been declared?
Are you mad? Like are you seriously fucking crazy? They’ve been attacked, first thing you do is secure your borders.
You think Israel should continue to allow Gazans to cross the border and work in Israel after war has been declared?
Yes. Israel is wrong to commit ethnic cleansing and all the other crimes in Gaza.
This ethnic cleansing lie is so obviously and clearly debunked. It’s shocking that people are so stupid enough to repeat it .
There are millions of Arabs living peacefully within Israel’s borders. Gaza itself has one of the highest birth rates in the world and has a growing population.
Those are facts. Those facts quite clearly prove claims of genocide to be completely fabricated. No ethnic group of people are being wiped out.
One of these two groups is calling for the extermination of the other group. That is Hamas.
How was it debunked “clearly and obviously”? None of the thighs you said in any way debunk the fact that Israel is illegally killing and removing people from their land.
How’s it debunked? By reality! A genocide needs more people to die than to be born, which obviously isn’t happening. Even on the cultural front, there’s no removal from society happening.
Now you’ve got Hamas indiscriminately bombing Jerusalem, including Holy Arab religious sites, with the iron dome protecting those. Israel yet again proving it cares more about Arab lives and culture than Hamas does.
Really why are there Jewish people today after the holocaust? Because your definition of a genocide and what doesn’t make it one is dumb as fuck frankly.
