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In a nutshell if anything breaks you are screwed ;D
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Actually, if it breaks you get Apple to fix it. I think anyone who is spending $$3500+ on a portable device knows to be careful with it and doesn’t want it to break.
Anyone who is spending 3500 on a portable toy has more money than sense and isn’t going to worry about it…
Portable toy for you but it is not a portable toy for me, I bought 2 of them for valid reasons and also have more sense than money so I bought the AppleCare insurance on both of them as well, so if there is an issue I can get it fixed.
You can make all sorts of fallacy arguments you want about how this device is not practical for your life and try and paint the buyers of these as selfish, greedy, dumb or whatever else you want but that doesn’t make it true. There are people out, probably a lot of them, that do have a good reason for buying these. For me, as someone who suffers from pretty extreme sensory issues due to my autism and also suffering from ADHD, it is a very useful device to help me get a better handle on my disability. Pair that with my background as a documentary filmmaker and how often I travel, it is an incredibly useful tool for me and its value is worth more than the close to $5000 I paid for each of mine (tax, lens inserts, AppleCare and 1tb storage version). This device gives me much more freedom and ability to work, with limited distractions in many environments I struggled to work in before. Also, I wanted to experiment with the immersive video.
Judge others all you want if that is how you want to spend your time, if it helps you to care that much about how other people spend more money than you are willing to spend on a product that is incredibly useful to them but not to you, so be it. Just seems like a waste of time to me to be that worked up about something you don’t like that much. But you do need to know that there are people these products are made for, they just aren’t made for you… yet, I don’t know if you would even be interested in something like this. I don’t get worked up at all knowing that a double amputee has to spend tens of thousands of dollars to get high tech prosthetic arm that improve their lives immensely or that a filmmaker spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on equipment to do their job or to explore new tech that may help them do their job better.
I saw already MULTIPLE people driving and using it, so i dont think they handle it with care
There are plenty of examples of people doing studies stuff with new technology and people die every day from misusing common items, so your point doesn’t really have much to do with the Vision Pro and more to do with how dumb a small segment of the population is, that did not start with the Vision Pro nor will it end with it. That doesn’t mean that Apple designed the thing poorly so I don’t quite understand your point? Was it Apple shouldn’t have made the Vision Pro because someone decided to drive with it on? Are you advocating that there should be warning labels on everything for every possible misuse of a product and the company that made said product should be responsible for every misuse or do you think we should not be blaming the company and designers of the product and should hold the user responsible? Are you saying we should stereotype all people in a group (Vision Pro owners) based on the actions of a handful of idiots who decided to use it in a way that defies common sense? I don’t think stereotyping groups of people based on the actions of a few is really the right thing to do here.
Just think about it for a moment. Apple made a mask, that when you wear it in your face, projects a 3D animated avatar if you face on the outside. That is so weird, f’ed up and dystopian.
I won’t argue about whether this is dystopian, but the practical reason for the face projection is that they wanted to make this not just something you wear sitting alone in your basement, like most other VR headsets. They wanted it to be usable around other people, at a workplace, with family, etc.
Interacting with someone wearing a full face blind is just weird, so they thought that making the eyes visible would help make this a bit more socially usable.
I’m not sure that’s really going to work out — seems at least as awkward as Google’s failed Glass project — but Apple’s design decision has some merit.
Google Glass really feels smarter in this particular regard.
Also they decided to stuff everything into the headset.
Maybe making it a separate thing and moving as much mass and volume as possible to something worn on your belt or your back would be a better idea. EDIT: But I do understand how this doesn’t fit their marketing.
Especially considering they already put the battery external, if you have to shove a battery in your pocket and run a wire up to your head they might as well have put more of the electronics there too.
It would conserve a lot of weight and space and make it more comfortable to wear
Yes, I didn’t see that initially. When they already have it in two parts, the “doesn’t fit marketing” part stops making sense.
I agree. I thought they were going to do that to create a lighter, less intrusive headset. This just seems like the worst of both worlds. Maybe processing in the pocket became too hot without ventilation. I thought they were going to plug the thing into an iPhone in the pocket and offload power and processing there, but the Vision is very power hungry so I guess they eliminated that early on.
Honestly, that part doesn’t strike me as any stranger than talking to someone wearing aviator sunglasses
Given the number of TV shows and movies around this topic, I can sense this change coming.
If I have to interact with someone that’s wearing goggles, I might go full Luddite.
People wear those fucking white stalks hanging from their ears when interacting with people. I see gangs of teens hanging out, all having white stalks on their ears and no one seem to care anymore.
It’s not respectful to the person you’re interacting with having those dangling around without showing you actually listen to what’s being said. Of course people will wear these to show off as soon as possible.
I think we’re past this being a disrespectful thing, and it’s just how society evolves. There was a time in which anyone carrying around a cellphone (the big, brick ones) were seeing as showoff.
And years ago, if you saw someone with one of those bluetooth “stalks” as you called them in one ear, talking on the phone loudly on the street, you would think “what a douche!” But today, it’s so, so, so common, that nobody seems to care anymore, not even myself. Of course, if they’re in an enclosed space, or a relatively quiet space, then that will always be annoying.
Do I like this new norm? Not particularly, as I’m old school. But I just accepted it. And there has been a few times in which I had to do it myself (e.g. talking to someone while carrying some boxes or solving a problem with my bank while folding laundry), and it’s kind of relieving that I can do this without feeling ashamed - again, because everyone else is doing it.
It’s super easy to know if someone is looking at you when they take off the headset
It’s a VR headset. It’s not a social experience.
But that’s what Apple is trying to change. They don’t call it a VR headset. They don’t even use the phrase “virtual reality” because they don’t want people thinking of it as a VR headset.
Their goal is to get people used to wearing a headset to do normal “real” world things. They want it to be AR, not VR. It’s like getting people used to a touchscreen, or not having a headphone jack, or a big-ass notch in the screen.
Their long-term goal is likely glasses that can do the same things as this headset, but with transparent screens, so that they don’t need the outer display. And then it won’t be VR-first, it’ll be AR-first.
Their long-term goal is likely glasses that can do the same things as this headset, but with transparent screens, so that they don’t need the outer display.
All I want is a pair of glasses that can display notifications like a smart watch. We have had the tech to do this for years and it upsets me that it doesn’t exist yet.
Hell, Google even calls it WearOS… pretty sure you wear glasses.
Not gonna happen for a long time
Way to ignore the entire comment and show that you don’t understand VR in the slightest, all in one sentence.
Ever heard of Taklings House Party? I’ve also spent many a night throwing back a few beers and taking turns in Beat Saber.
I think it’s just straight up uncanny valley. Don’t think it’s especially “dystopian” per se.
Honestly cartoon eyes might have actually worked better here.
should just be some googly eyes
I wouldn’t go so far as fucked up and dystopian. It’s just an odd style choice.
I’m convinced that the only reason they did the eye thing is so they can get micro transactions for people buying custom eyes like cats and aliens and shit.
Steve Buscemi
No… Display isn’t big enough.
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The second half is basically why Apple is successful.
I don’t know, I could see the value if it really looked like the mask was semi transparent.
So it’s a cool idea, the only problem is that they didn’t deliver and the result is creepy instead.
That is so weird, f’ed up and dystopian.
It’s not as weird as the Meta Quest, where you literally have no idea wether the person wearing it is looking at you or not.
The view of someone’s eyes is very low quality - I’ll give you that. But it’s better than nothing at all. And I’m not sure they could’ve done better without doubling the price of the product.
Nah, it’s actually much weirder and more unsettling. You can’t tell if someone’s looking at you when they wear sunglasses either. No one cares. I’d much rather deal with that than creepy inhuman eyes.
But it’s better than nothing at all.
Although there are better solutions than making a facsimile of real eyes, like putting a user-customisable avatar eye/indicator or something on top, which wouldn’t get quite as uncanny. At least, not any more than wearing a sleep mask with an eye design on top.
Not only did they make something that weird, they put an absolute shit load of effort into doing so. That teardown video was insane.
The example video of showing wearing the headset and showing the outer display:
https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2024/02/03103510/Display-Stack_sm.mp4
It is off putting and reminds me of one of the Robocop 2 Prototypes.
I don’t know what I expected but that was mortifying.
This is a fun, silly discussion and I love it!
But hey, what you’re seeing is just some internal component, so why would that be mortifying? I found it hilarious!
holy fucking shit what the fuck is that
Put it in a clear case!!
🎶It’s not the best choice…🎶
You’ve tried the best, now try the rest!
Imagine engineering something that complicated only for it to be a disappointing product. I have no doubt it’s a step toward better products but at the same time they could’ve done better. Maybe spend more time polishing the actual parts that matter instead of creating the world’s most complicated weird fake blurry eyes?
I don’t think the blurry eye thing is a major important feature. it’s just the weirdest
That is literally my point. It took a lot to engineer that, which is seen in the teardown video.
sorry. you mentioned the eyes and then said disappointing product in the same sentence. I don’t know if it’s disappointing or not but the stupid eye feature wouldn’t be the thing that disappointed or impressed me.
I’m waiting for a really nice passthrough productivity headset to happen, and I’m glad this is the direction apple wants to go. I’m sure some company that isn’t apple will do it better than this soon.
I don’t think it is a disappointing product, I think it is pretty amazing actually.
Blurry eyes, yeah, that outward facing screen is an interesting choice but it makes sense with that they were going for. Based on all the tech in the Vision Pro I doubt that outward facing screen added much in terms of cost to the Bill of Materials but it is a nifty thing to try out. I’d rather have companies experimenting with this type of thing than only making predictable products over and over again with only minor improvements.
I don’t think it is productive to bad mouth a product that you probably haven’t even tried yet and probably would not be buying anyway.
Apparently you haven’t read the reviews
I own two of them, I have been using it extensively since I picked them up on Friday morning from a nearby Apple Store.
But if that isn’t good enough for you, I also extensively read reviews before purchasing them and have continued to read other people’s thoughts on it.
If you spent well over 7 grand on 2 headsets you can only wear one of… You are the level of fanboy beyond cartoonish and there is definitely nothing that could break the illusion needed to justify that sort of insane spending.
Close to 10 grand actually.
It may be hard for you to accept that this may be a useful product for a limited number of people but it is true, I am one of them.
I explain more about it in another post here;
https://lemmy.world/comment/7267113
If you want to keep shaming people for using the money they earned through hard work to justify your… I don’t know what it is you are trying to prove, it doesn’t really matter. I just find it kind of silly that you can’t accept that this product isn’t made for you.
I for one applaud companies that are willing to try something different and to push the technological envelope to see what’s possible. I think your comments and negativity will be seen, in time, in a similar light to the naysayers of the iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, AirPods and so many non-Apple products that ended up being incredibly successful.
This is not a fully formed standalone product just yet, it is the beginnings of a new market segment, it doesn’t have to be your exact image of perfection for this product type, you need to crawl before you can walk and you need to walk before you can run. Give it time and there will be more universally appealing versions of this, let the bleeding edge adopters beta test this for you and in a few years I think you will owe them a thank you. I’ll be enjoying my time until then using my Vision Pros and giving feedback to Apple about how it can be improved upon to maybe someday win you over.
I bought three of them, one for each eye and one for my dog.
Seems like an interesting setup, got any pictures to share?
But why would you get two?
For myself and someone else to use at the same time and in conjunction with each other for work purposes. I explain it a few times in other comments I have made here.
If you want to keep shaming people for using the money they earned through hard work
Yes, the once in a lifetime that someone admitted to setting ten grand on fire, I definitely have no shame in shaming them for it. That is more money than I think is fair for most used cars…
In 1994 I played rise of the triad in a “VR” headset. Since that time, we have barely progressed past that. This iteration is an absurdly complicated, severely overpriced hunk of heavy-ass junk just slightly better than some before it.
To tell you the truth, 20 years from now when there’s an actually good version of this product, almost certainly not built by apple, I’ll only be interested if it’s not absurdly expensive. Maybe not even then, we’ll see.
You are acting like you’re some kind of martyr for being a guinea pig and blowing a fuckton of money in doing so. That’s weird and sad.
Ahh I see, you read my link to understand where I am coming from and why I bought them and also I see that you have the mentality of a teenager who is unable to understand that others may have different needs and different levels of consumer spending. Got it.
Well enjoy your life of shaming a mentally handicapped (autism & ADHD with severe sensory issues where this device very much helps diminish) professional documentary filmmaker who finds this device well worth the price. Committing $5,000 more for the second unit was also well worth the price to be able to run dailies with my editor who may be on the other side of the planet from where I am but we can share a virtual editing bay together in real time is much more valuable than the price I paid for that second unit. In terms of business, and especially my business, $5,000 is not a whole lot of money. It will pay for itself in terms of time saved within a month or less based on my average hourly pay. It is a good investment and I am sorry you can’t accept that.
I see you are committed to digging this hole for yourself and feel bad for the people in your life who are very tired of how subjective and stubborn you are, it must be very tiring for them to put up with you, I can very much relate to that in my brief encounter with you. Good luck buddy.
Oh, and, you seem like a very prescient business person with their finger on the pulse of the tech industry when you say that “we have barely moved past” the VR experience back you had back in 1994. Enjoy your myopic pancake view of the world my friend, I hope you change your mind because you are missing out on a pretty great world filled with interesting things that you have never experienced but have strong negative feelings toward.
Its literally the Apple targeted customer.
And?
I own two of them
You could have brought multiple other headsets for the price of just one of those.
Read some of my other comments here, I have used pretty much every headset out there and these work better for my needs, by far, than all the rest.
