The envelope never made it to Judge Arthur Engoron, but caused an emergency response at the courthouse.
Judge Arthur Engoron, who handed down a $355 million ruling against former President Donald Trump in his civil fraud trial, was sent an envelope containing white powder on Wednesday, causing an emergency response at his New York City courthouse, a source with direct knowledge of the incident confirmed to NBC News.
The judge and his staff were not exposed to the substance — his mail is pre-screened on a daily basis and was intercepted before it reached him, the source said. A court officer opened the letter and powder fell out, according to the New York Police Department, exposing the officer and another court employee to the substance, the source said. The New York City Fire Department said the two refused any medical treatment. The threatening letter was first reported by ABC News.
The threat is far from the first against the judge. Police on Long Island responded to a bomb threat at his home last month, hours before closing arguments in the Trump trial were scheduled to begin.
Someone is about to meet the Postal Inspection Service and have a very bad time. You do not fuck with the mail. They will find your ass.
Unless you’re Louis DeJoy, then you can fuck with the mail all you want with impunity.
Oh yeah I forgot about that story arc.
I didn’t realize he’s still post master general. There’s a Time article claiming he’s been doing a lot of beneficial stuff now. But I honestly have no idea how biased it is toward any agenda.
He saw which way the wind was blowing, and decided to use his powers for good. I don’t think he’s stupid, just unscrupulous.
Yeah, I got the impression that he’s just opportunistic.
Wow interesting article, really paints him in a different light
Just an FYI, Biden could remove him anytime he wants. He won’t. He has appointed enough postal governors to get a new Postmaster General.
I feel like it would be pretty easy to untraceably send a single letter. False return address, address written slowly with your alternate hand (or printed), dropped in an unmonitored street mailbox a few hours away from your home…how would USPIS find such a person?
In that situation, they wouldn’t find them.
But in many other situations, criminals do dumb things like writing their return address.
Municipal or private CCTV by the mailbox? In the UK at least it’s quite common.
Letter boxes don’t stamp the specific location in most places. And even if they did, you could just use an outgoing box at a large community, or someone’s house mailbox.
No, but the CCTV installation surely will.
What CCTV? lol.
The ones I mentioned pepper almost every London junction. In metro areas, there’s also loads of private installations that can be looked at to help identify and track individuals.
Well, maybe in the police-state UK. But we don’t have that over here. And even if we did, as I said, they couldn’t narrow down the exact box in the postal code and if it was in a heavy traffic are there could be thousands of people dropping mail off daily.
UK’s one of the most surveilled countries on earth tho innit?
Printed? Your printer leaves a unique pattern on all its documents. Oooh
Dropped in a mailbox, oooh the neighbour across the road has a ring doorbell
Didn’t turn off your phone? Ooooh
Let’s be honest though these people probably took a photo of them posting it, and now it’s on up on twitter.
My money would be on Truth Social or a QAnon/Maga facebook group.
I just like the idea that somebody might be stupid enough to put their real return address on the envelope, and your suggestion is the first time that it’s occurred to them that they might not need to do that.
Agent Jack Danger is on the case.
It’s pronounced Donger.
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I mean, for now, all of these systems are crumbling beneath our feet.
USPS was extremely reliable. Now I hear from folks “Oh I sent it via mail, no wonder you never got it”.
This includes the teeth that these systems have
The mail is as reliable as ever. What are you talking about?
He is talking out of his ass. They made the mail more reliable, by removing stupid routes and some unnecessary air mail. It now takes an extra day to send stuff cross country, according to the mailing guidelines… but the previous service guidelines were off by a half or full day anyway for that distance.
Terrorists, plain and simple
Or you can use the alternative spelling: r-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n
They are all domestic terrorists I hear. From them. I heard it from them.
Republicunt?
Cuckservatives
I feel like this kind of behavior can be attributed to the unintended consequences of social media engagement algorithms, black boxes taking over peoples minds and turning them into angry thralls, it’s like a natural disaster. Trump was basically an internet meme and he evolved into this
American education has also been nerfed to the masses, so critical thinking skills were destroyed. They created a system of useful idiots for control, rather than educating a nation for prosperity. This has been decades in the making.
Trace the money.
I don’t believe in conspiratorial thinking though. I don’t think this happened on purpose. Social media algorithms were built to maximize engagement by collecting user data, the algorithms learned that people engage more if posts amplifying negative emotions are amplified, and that explains how stuff like this happened. It’s actually scarier to realize the state of society is because of an accident caused by negligent capitalism rather than tyranny.
Precisely. I think this is absolutely the “paperclip problem.” It’s a machine designed and tuned specifically for engagement + profit. That’s it. Humanity or morals or decency aren’t part of the equation.
To them, so what if it causes a breakdown of society and generations of smoothbrained internet-addicted feral ghouls? “Look at the ad revenue! Look at the fat happy shareholders! We’re doing such a good job. We’re changing lives.”
Was neglecting capitalism the mistake or the design?
People were sending white powders in the mail before social media.
Social media exacerbates it, but extremism is a social/ cultural acceptance issue.
It’s the level that behavior has been amplified that’s scary and unusual, before the internet it was only the most extreme fringe groups. It isn’t normal to go online and feel like a 50/50 chance everybody you meet is an extremist. That’s a recent thing just sometime within the last 10 years and it’s never been like that before ever
Anyone remember anthrax and ricin scares of days past?
Yea there was one at my university for ricin which ended up being a false positive
In my first IT job, this type of incident was part of our threat model.
This was pre-cloud and our servers were all in the same building.
If an envelope full of white power arrives to the building and the entire building is closed for days to assess and clean, how can we keep the business working remotely with zero lead time? Good times.
Today all the rage is businesses going to the cloud…
Back then we were terrified that one day… ✉️💨…the cloud would come to you.
I hope it was cocaine to make him work hard in the case… wall street vibing…
I send good bribes, the best bribes, and the crooked NYPD dump them out on the ground
Naw. They arrest the messenger, take one of those “million dollars in coke” pictures, then snort it anyways.
How else is Tango the narc doggy gonna work 14 hour shifts?!
Tango really loves his job….
😂
A court officer opened the letter and powder fell out, according to the New York Police Department, exposing the officer and another court employee to the substance, the source said. The New York City Fire Department said the two refused any medical treatment.
Uhhh - so two employees were exposed to a yet unknown substance that has to be at least considered to be harmful and were even allowed to refuse medical treatment? Am I missing something here?
shit they’ll probably be charged for the medical treatment. Every Americans knee-jerk reaction these days is avoid the hospital and ambulances for fear of medical debt wiping us out.
If it was actually anthrax, it has an incubation period of 1 to 3 days and a prodromal phase that can last anywhere from 1 to 6 days. Their exposure would have been inhalation which does carry the worst forms of the illness and the worst prognosis, but they’d have at least a couple days before symptoms start showing up and there are antitoxin and immunoglobulin treatments available. There’s not really a post-exposure prophylaxis, per se, and giving someone the treatments unnecessarily would be incredibly expensive.
And I just wonder why these guys aren’t wearing at least gloves and an n95?
Yeah, that’s a really good point.
That said, so was Don Jr.
So I have no idea what is going on.
That’s just Don Jr.'s Silk Road order coming in.
Maybe it’s Russian interference. Send white power derived envelopes to prominent players on both sides to get the people riled up against each other.
Or one of the two sides trying to shift blame. Either is possible, but we wouldn’t be in this predicament if a certain someone had decided to not try and cheat at basically everything in life.
Don Jr is sending white powder to the judge. Let’s hope he got his baggies mixed up and Don is snorting anthrax right now.
What is it? 2001 again?
I wonder if the sender will do their federal and state sentences concurrently or consecutively.
