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      Many people who start out at a craft or hobby fall into the trap of thinking they need to get the best and most expensive equipment in order to improve or “get good”.

      In most cases the better equipment might feel nicer to work with, but doesn’t really improve the performance of their wielder.

      The hard truth that can be hard to accept, is that the pro’s are really good because they put a lot of time and effort into getting there. And there really are no shortcuts around that.

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        Adam Savage has this ideology that if you start a new type of creative hobby, you buy the cheapest tools that has the functions you need. Then when that tool breaks, you buy a nice and expensive version that will last.

        Because you have proven that you will use the tool enough to break it.

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          This works great for a lot of hobbies but not for some. Some hobbies you certainly don’t want your main tool breaking on you. But it kind of applies you don’t need the top of the line to start with but at least opt for solid quality over fancy features.

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        But tools are important to a degree.

        When you’re starting out, it’s extremely useful to know what your core toolbox needs to include, and who better to ask than someone who clearly knows what they’re doing? Michaelangelo could have said “Well, I use a broad flat chisel for for bulk removal, large and small gouge chisels for soft curves, and mainly a v chisel for the finer details”

        When you’re trying to emulate a specific style, sometimes the type of tool can be crucial for nailing the look. For example, Bob Ross used a palette knife extensively, and choose very different brushes for different elements. Even a skilled painter would have difficulty reproducing his work if all they had was one 1-inch flat brush.

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            That seems like the intent of the artist, but the question alone, literally, can be taken either way. I’m just saying that this interpretation is an over-generalization of the question, implying that it’s always meant as “What brand of tool will magically make me good?”.

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          Not to take away from your point, but Bob Ross had a few episodes where he deliberately restricted himself to only using a single tool for that week’s painting–as I recall, he used a palette knife exclusively in one episode, and a two-inch flat brush in another. (That said, it also reinforces your point a bit because there’s a HUGE difference between an artist’s 2-inch brush and the two-inch brush you buy from the hardware store, and you’re going to struggle massively if you try to follow along with Bob using a regular brush.)

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            Yes, and those paintings were distinctive and different. If you tried to follow one of his more detailed paintings with only a palette knife, or one of his mountain scenes with just a fan and a filbert, you won’t get very close. That’s why it’s important to have the right tool(s) for the right job, and how better to find out than asking a talented professional?

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            Didn’t Bob use a hardware store brush sometimes?

            That said Bob was really the prototypical technique guy that this comment is poking fun at.

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              If he did, I don’t remember watching that episode. IIRC a big part of Ross’s technique took advantage of the way the fibers on the brush spread when pressed head-on into the canvas, and hardware store brushes just can’t replicate that.

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            I could use a shoe and my non dominant had to smoke a beginner. But still, if you try to learn something with the worst equipment it can teach bad habits and not be as fun. Far from needing the high end stuff, though. Unless your newly about to pick up high altitude mountain climbing. Might not want to skimp on that one. Lol

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              if you try to learn something with the worst equipment it can teach bad habits and not be as fun. Far from needing the high end stuff, though

              Yeah I think this holds rue for a lot of stuff, if you’re serious about learning, you do need decent equipment, but you don’t need the best, most expensive stuff there is.

              Hahah mountain climbing. Yeah, touché!

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      It’s not the tools its the artist. Of course there is hard work and practice involved but that question implies that, with the right tools, anyone can create the same art.

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        It’s still a fair question, because talent is quite often limited by the tools.

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          I would argue that it is literally never the question you should ask, assuming you get to ask a single question of a master in your craft. It’s honestly an embarrassment of a question in that scenario. It’s just a complete waste of the precious access you have to real talent.

          You could maybe ask your contemporaries that question instead.

          Do you think a theoretical physicist would ask Einstein what type of pencil he used?

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            Einstein didn’t use a pencil. He used a fountain pen. I know that because someone asked him.

            Albert Einstein used both a Pelikan 100 N and a Waterman Taper-cap Fountain Pen which he used to develop the Theory of Relativity. The Waterman pen is on display at the Boerhaave Museum in Leiden.

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              This is absolutely perfect. With this information one is no closer to knowing anything at all about theoretical physics, and one has incurred the opportunity cost of asking a question that gets them no closer to knowing anything about theoretical physics.

              This is where the artist of the original cartoon was careful to clarify the ultimate goal of the asker was to do what Michaelangelo does, at the level that Michaelangelo does it.

              If one doesn’t care to learn about the craft, then it’s a tidbit. An anecdote to share at parties. The solution to an escoteric crossword puzzle.

              If you want to become a similar master of the craft, it’s a waste of a question.

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                In the case of Michelangelo it is a relevant question though.

                At the time it was seemingly impossible to create these kinds of statues using conventional sculpturing techniques. If you try to chisel these shapes in large blocks off marble it would absolutely break in unintended places from chiseling.

                Had he used a special tool, then that would have been the simple explanation.

                He didn’t use special tools though, so having him confirm that he did indeed use a regular round chisel (and a rasp) is crucial to understanding how it was done.

                The confirmation is the key information to even start thinking of the follow-up question “how the hell did you do that then?”

                Answering “bro, it’s my talent” is of very little use to anyone.

                From studying his unfinished works historians have been able to figure it out. He used knowledge of counter weight. By leaving large parts of the marble block untouched until the end he managed to balance the marble so that it would not break unintentionally.

                A curious fact is that he always kept his unfinished works secret or covered. Nobody was allowed to see it before he was done. He intended to keep his technique secret.

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      It’s like people asking creators “in what program do you make your videos”, as if that’s what makes the final video what it is.