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      Lynn Doan Tue, March 19, 2024 at 11:14 AM GMT·1 min read

      (Bloomberg) – Reddit Inc., the social media platform gearing up for an initial public offering this week, said Nokia Oyj has accused it of infringing some of their patents.

      Nokia Technologies, the company’s licensing business, sent Reddit a letter on Monday with the claims, and Reddit is evaluating them, according to a filing made Tuesday. “As we face increasing competition and become increasingly high profile, the possibility of receiving more intellectual property claims against us grows,” Reddit said in the filing. Nokia’s claims come as Reddit prepares for an initial public offering in an effort to raise hundreds of millions of dollars. The company has been working toward a listing for years, and its public market debut this week is set to become a high-profile addition to the year’s roster of newly and soon-to-be public companies.

      Nokia is no stranger to patent fights. In February, the company reached a patent agreement with Chinese phone maker Vivo, ending a years-long dispute that dragged the two companies into court and forced Vivo to pull out of Germany. In 2021, Daimler and Nokia settled a dispute over the licensing of wireless technology patents in cars, ending a legal battle that had at one point threatened sales of the iconic Mercedes brand in its home country.

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    I tend to be principally against patents in general, as research suggests they actually stifle innovation rather than incentivize it. But in this case I’d say ‘let them fight, and may they both lose’.

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      It’s both. Patents are just a legal tool, and can be used and/or abused as the imperfect regulations allow.

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        It’s a legal tool that turns ideas into property. This allows capital to exercise power over it and profit through it, and on top of that inhibits innovation. So l’d say there is no use or abuse, it’s a bad legal framework that doesn’t achieve societal benefits.

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          So to be fair it’s not like all patents are" I have an idea and I want to stop others from using it". Many are companies submitting technical documentation that the company spent millions of dollars to develop, they should get a head start on using it. After the patent expires everyone can use the tech that the original developer may have kept as trade secret instead. Of course they can be abused like most other things but there is definitely a use case for patents.

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          This allows capital to exercise power over it and profit through it

          Of course it does… patent law as it stands goes hand-in-hand with capitalist economic systems. Patents are intended to incentivize investing in ideas. (That’s a lot of ‘i’s!)

          On the other hand, people who come up with ideas are workers, too, and a system devoid of any means to discourage/prevent parasitic engagement—wherein others reap the rewards of these workers’ labor—doesn’t seem like the opposite of capitalism, either.

          Edit: To be clear, I think current regulations need improvement, and am in no way defending patent trolls. If the intend goal of patent law does not align with its observed ramifications, the law should be changed.

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            It requires capital to obtain a patent and to defend a patent, workers are inherently excluded from this proces.

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                I’m starting to get the feeling that we are both repeating ourselves, but this is not a just a side effect, it is systematic. Turning an idea into property means only capital can play the game. In effect patents do two things: Firstly they inhibits innovation, the exact opposite of what they are supposed to do, this should be ground enough to get rid of them. Second they entrench big players, big players have more money to play the patent game and so tend to win patent fights regardless of merit. So besides not achieving their so called stated goal they also have a huge negative externality. And all this before we even take patent trolls into account.

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    Nokia is no stranger to patent fights. In February, the company reached a patent agreement with Chinese phone maker Vivo, ending a years-long dispute that dragged the two companies into court and forced Vivo to pull out of Germany. In 2021, Daimler and Nokia settled a dispute over the licensing of wireless technology patents in cars, ending a legal battle that had at one point threatened sales of the iconic Mercedes brand in its home country.

    Is Nokia becoming some sort of patent troll?

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      Nokia actually is a big player in 5G networks, which is what the Vivo one was about. I’m not sure you can call them a patent troll for defending patents that they’re actually using

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        Right, but all those cases involved companies that were doing legit things with wireless. This is Reddit, though. Where do their businesses intercept?

        The only thing I can think of is maybe they have some patent on actual trolls. They are from a Nordic country, after all.

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      Large corporations devote significant resources to developing patentable technologies strictly for IP creation rather than productization. Part of this is for aggressive licensing purposes, part is for participation in patent licensing pools with other major companies, and part is for defensive purposes wrt blowback analysis (i.e., someone considers enforcing their own IP, but the target has so much other IP that could be turned against them, the blowback risk outweighs the possible gain in a successful enforcement).

      This is pretty different than a troll, which typically does not develop technology but rather goes out and snaps up assets on firesale from companies having solvency issues or pruning their portfolios. Moreover, trolls are not entering pools or worrying about blowback… they produce nothing so they cannot infringe a target’s IP.

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    steve huffman is violating my “being a dildo” patent

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    Yay! Not that I care beyond seeing the old site have issues make life uncomfortable. Other than that, whatever. I’m good here.

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    Nokia is like a mosquito that uses patents to leech off of other companies. What a great business model. A real useful niche they’re filling.

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      Nokia invents patented technology they use in their products (hint, not a cellphone)

      Another company illegally uses this technology without a license

      Nokia sues them for using their proprietary systems without permission

      “Nokia is such a parasite”

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      “What a mosquito”, he says to the trampling mastodon that basically runs all of the B2B wireless tech in the majority of the world.

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      You realize they own Bell Labs, the organization that humanity owes the information age to, right?