Edit: Guys I didn’t write the headline; the subtitle that I added, I’ve now fixed tho

Edit: Also, the information about there being no escape is out of date – here’s a quick guide to how to fix the problem in the modern day

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    Forced updates are a good thing for most people, though. The general population doesn’t know or care about infosec, so they’ll put off updates for months or years.

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        I’d be fine with what you describe in the second paragraph, but that’s not what’s meant by “forced.” That’s opt-out. Forced is what’s really objectionable, especially when it’s abused, as discussed in the article and elsewhere in these comments.

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      8 months ago

      Updates forced at inconvenient (or inapropriate) times aren’t a good thing though.

      Don’t interrupt my work right bloody now.

      You can update later when I’m done doing what I’m in the middle of.

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      8 months ago

      Let’s have the authorities force us to eat salad and exercise while we’re at it, it’s better for us

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        Oh Christ, that’s not the same thing and you know it.

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          Meh. You’re not just talking about just making it automatic or easy or recommended, but actually forcing everyone to have to go along with it and taking away the option to not do it.

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            You 100% should have to keep your systems up to date. It’s a danger to yourself and everyone else when you don’t.

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              Even at the risk of Microsoft adding more spyware to my machine, reinstalling apps I deliberately uninstalled, reverting privacy settings I set, strongarming me into using their browser, etc? All of which has been reported.

              My hardware, my choice.

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                If you want to phrase it as a “personal responsibility” thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack.

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                  Lol.

                  As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to “install candy crush or go to jail!”

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                    You think it’s funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can’t be bothered to switch off of Windows because “you don’t like what Microsoft installs with their security updates” or “actually install security updates”?

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                Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot.

                Just curious, are you unvaccinated too?

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          Edit : Turns out you can turn it off atleast according to someone in the thread idk personnely i ran ubuntu .

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            There already is a way to turn that off AFAIK but also any tech literate person should be able to tolerate a, what is it these days, monthly(?) restart of Windows.

            The point is leaving an unpatched system running is dangerous. You shouldn’t be “tech literate” and running into a problem with these updates.

            As much as I love that Linux gives more flexibility here, and I do run Linux on pretty much all of my devices, I very much agree with Microsoft that these updates need installed.

            Even “tech literate” people are often extremely relaxed with their security posture.

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              Oh i didn’t know there was a way i personnely don’t run windows (anything anymore really last time was ubuntu) i kinda thought there was no way from reading these comments if there is why are people commenting that . I’m gonna go edit.

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                I think it’s some registry thing at this point, but last I knew, yes there’s still a way to turn it off … even though you really really really shouldn’t.

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      That’s their problem though. If they wanna get hacked, go for it.

      But there should be a way to turn it off for us power users at least (without having to build a whole domain controller)