• Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
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    That’s the great part about our democracy: You don’t get to vote for someone who isn’t pro-Israel. Because freedom.

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      *electoral system

      Because of FPTP and the Winner Take All Electoral College, there is a lot of political pressure to only have 2 parties. In a better system (proportional, ranked choice, etc) it wouldn’t break with more than two parties. In fact just reforming the electoral college to be proportional would likely allow 3 parties to exist.

      If you look at history the last time there was a viable 3rd party it possibly initiated the civil war by allowing an anti slavery viewpoint to exist (which is good, but if we’d had a better voting system it would have happened earlier and reduced a lot of suffering)

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        And if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass when he hopped.

        We have FPTP, and we’ll have it until I’m cold and dead in the ground.

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            alaska also has some kind of UBI because of their oil stuff, I’m not sure they slot as easily into political partisanship as most other states

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            Burlington VT also switched off FPTP… and then we fucking back slid because “it’s too confusing!”

            I think it’s highly unlikely we get off FPTP at a national level.

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      Electoral system…

      Just as I have to watch half the electorate embrace the most asinine BS possible to justify selfishness and hate… it’s not that far out to see people screaming “genocide joe!” at everyone they see, as they turn off everyone and defeat themselves at every chance.

      The cool part is focusing all your effort into a camp-out such that your main message is synonymous with homelessness and you self defeat your own goals… all while you call the liberal element genocidal and basically show the world your biggest effort is to sit still while cutting off the liberal nose to spite your face.

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      Can you imagine how dumb it would be to vote for someone who isn’t though?

      The only reason I think Trump isn’t pro-Palestine (Russian ally through Iran) is because the war is a good distraction from Ukraine

      You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian

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        Being pro-Israel and being pro-Palestine are mutually exclusive positions since Israel is genociding Palestine.

        That’s like saying you can be pro Nazi and pro jew.

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          I mostly agree in fact, however in definition it isn’t true. Israel is a nation that could exist in many other forms. It doesn’t have to do what it’s doing. It’s not the same as “pro-Nazi” because Nazism is an ideology, not a nation. A nation doesn’t have any set ideals, only a set of people and borders it represents.

          You can be anti-Nazi and pro-Germany because Nazis didn’t define Germany. They were Nazis at one point in time but are now represented by totally different ideals.

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          No it would be like Finland allying with Germany because they had to be against Russia

          But I didn’t say pro-Palestine, I said pro-Palestinian which you clearly know the difference since you had to change it to make your point

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            You just proved my point. The Finland/Germany/Russia comparison only fits with ‘Palestine’.

            The Nazi/Jews comparison is accurate with ‘Palestinian’.

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              Would it be easier if I said “Finnish” instead of Finland?

              If the US backs Palestine do you honestly believe they will turn against all their allies to aid American security of the region and be Israel 2.0?

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                That is irrelevant to the conversation.

                The state of Israel is currently genociding Palestinians. You can’t support the state of Israel and support the Palestinian people at the same time. Full stop.

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                  Oh lol

                  It’s quite easy, you pressure your ally to stop that and to elevate the status of Palestinians in society

                  Send humanitarian aid and doctors to Palestine

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        Yeah Donald “Muslim ban” and “finish the job” Trump is not pro-Palestine only for reasons of distraction.

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        Palestine (Russian ally through Iran)

        Russia isn’t in military allience with Iran. Both Russia and Iran are neighbors sanctioned by the US, forcing them into a business partnership by exclusion.

        And Iran isn’t allied with Gaza Palestinians. You’re confusing them with the Yemeni Houthis and West Bank Hezbollah. What you have is Israelis engaging in terrorist acts against both states, then conflating retaliation with cooperation.

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        You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian

        Like I said: Freedom. 🇺🇸🦅🍔