Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
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Angry shareholder noises
Shareholders can cope and seeth
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
Imagine a world where we accept that things don’t have to be fantastically better than what came before, and we can find happiness in what we have.
That’s not how humans work.
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I guess we’re fucked, then.
Yup. All this technological advancement is cos we’re never really satisfied of what we have. Was it good in the 80s, was it enough? No. We never settle. That one day will be our ruin.
I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Because I can’t get one for $10 a month and I don’t want to repurchase the hundreds of dollars worth of apps I’ve already paid for.
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Ah, right. They have time until 2025 for replaceable batteries. They want to milk you until the last moment (not only Apple).
And then there’s the issue of security updates.
Not Impossible https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
Grab FairPhone.
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.
Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
Functioning AI voice assist, foldable, better peripherals, better input systems, better data transfer between systems, more durable, better battery life, repairable, more sustainable, better UI, decentralised communication options, meshnet options, etc.
There’s plenty to do about smartphones that needs innovating…
They are always making Siri better (check out the news for it), I super do not want a foldable phone, the Apple peripherals are quite good, the data transfer between Apple systems is one of the main appeals of Apple, never broke an Apple product unless I chuck it at a wall, battery life is quite good I have a 4 year old phone that still has 24 hour battery life, Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030, Apple UI is also one of the main appeals since it’s so nice.
Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030
Literally every major company on the planet is, doesn’t mean they actually are working towards it.
Wow I’m sure the website from apple full of promises is a good indicator of how good they’re actually doing for the environment. I’m sure they’re also planning to stop their model based on mass producing new hardly-repairable phones every year and pushing consumers to buy them rather than keeping their functioning ones, sometimes by cutting support and bricking their old phones.
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better battery life
Really debatable, since apps battery consumption increases balances it out. It really feels like we have to upgrade just to keep up.
better UI
REALLY debatable. There’s some UI updates that I abhor. Several have reduced functionality.
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Apple is always doing all of that other than the fokdable, which has been turned for a long time.
AirDrop and AirPlay are always getting better between Apple products. They literally just made the iPhone titanium for better durability. It has better battery life pretty much every year.
This one is more repairable than ever with the easily removable glass.
Those are all things Apple announces every year and everyone shits on them because it’s not innovative enough, like every year needs to be 2011 again when phones were making massive leaps year over year.
Like oh, this chip is only 20% faster than the last one with only 10% better battery life. Yawn.
Last I checked they’re not very keen on repairability (Being able to remove glass and being able to fix everything are two different things) and sustaniability (and no making a phone more efficient/produce less ghg/etc does not mean caring about sustainability when your whole model is mass producing and selling new phones every year while encouraging customers to ditch their current functioning phones for the new one, sometimes by purposefully removing support for them or bricking them with updates)
iPhones are more repairable than their comparable flagships from other companies. https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability
iFixit gave the 14 and 14 plus a 7 for repairability and a 6 for the pros, compared to a 3 for the Galaxy S22 and S22 ultra. The Pixel 6 pro only got a 5 and the base pixel 6 got a 6.
The 15 pro introduced more repairability with changing the back glass mechanism to be easily swappable, which was the biggest issue with earlier pro models and why they only got a 6.
They support phones longer than anyone else, and have a massively more robust recycling program to recapture virtually everything from older models and use them in new ones.
Also, plot twist, every company has the same model of encouraging you to buy a new one every year. That’s not specific to Apple in the least. Other companies essentially force you to upgrade sooner by dropping support entirely after a couple of versions while Apple supports for 5-7+ years.
At no point have I defended other companies, other than FairPhone, on either of those points.
are there any great innovations left
Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agree with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.
Of course, they’re just being done on Android until Apple takes them on later and markets them as their innovations.
Foldables are already a thing and the next iPhone will likely be their version of it.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
I’ve commented this elsewhere in this thread:
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now USB-C”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
I dislike Apple, but I think it’s mostly vendors and reviewers that highlight the connector (both protocol and form), Apple isn’t doing it.
I think innovations in phones are going to go the other direction honestly. Bringing back shit like eink displays, batteries that last days, fuck it, am/fm… New consumer tech is outpacing the users needs. I see a touch of old standards making a comeback. Hell how old is USB-C?
Fuck it, but an antenna and TV tuner on there. Give Cathode Ray Dude something to enjoy.
What you’re describing is not innovation.
Neither is what Apple is doing and I guess thats my point. How much higher tech to people reasonably need or want in their pocket? Is innovation for its own sake really innovation? They are just remarketing existing tech as features without a demand.
Oh, in that case I would have said something like “Companies are bringing back useful features and call it innovation.”
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I am holding out for rollables! There still so many things that can be done. Satellite coms and holographic displays are my dreams.
i just don’t see holographic displays being all that great to interact with. they might look pretty, but what’s the advantage over what we have now?
Pov: you dont understand what innovation mean.
Innovation is kind of their job
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
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Unless forced this will never happen on Apple devices. The reason has nothing to do what they claim, about protecting users and people not knowing better. It has everything to do with locking people in their ecosystem. If uncurrated store appears it might bring with it applications that help people migrate out of the Apple ecosystem or provide compatibility with “undesired” devices. Better compatibility with Android watches means lower chances of people buying Apple Watch, etc.
EU has an upcoming law that will force Apple to allow sideloading apps.
Based EU strikes again
How would they sell you a mac or a iPad along the iPhone if they open The iPhone that much? We still live in capitalism sir.
Well they eventually pulled the plug on iPods…
Took them “only” 10 years to add mouse support for iPads, something that’s been used for decades.
So surely, give it 10 more years and then they’ll “revolutionize” using a bigger external display for iPhone (and not just screen mirroring) :D
They’ll do it, they just take their sweet time.
Seriously, I would buy an iPhone if it was not so locked down. I like a lot of things about them but I need my non app store compliant apps
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
I got my fold because I was tired of incremental upgrades that didn’t make my phone feel any different than the last years phone (moved from Pixel 2 to pixel 3 right prices dropped when as pixel 6 launched). Sure it was faster but it didn’t feel any faster than when the old phone was new. The screen was the same size, it felt the same speed, why even spend the money? I wouldn’t pitch that anyone needs a foldable, but by that comparison noone “needs” a $1600 ultra/pro phone when base models are $800-900, but people do anyway. As long as I can afford the upgrade every 3 years, I will get the new one. when the screen finally gives.
(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next “game changer” since it’s been quite long since the “smartphone” was launched… and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn’t fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2…) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.
I mean I’d agree but apple consistently jacks up the prices with every “new” release. I’m going to assume that the 15 is literally just the 14 with usb c.
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
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The base model of the iPhone still doesn’t have USB 3 and won’t have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.
They repinned the current chipset from the current iPhone 14 to use USB-C, which is why the base model won’t be USB3. They’ve done this with every model, the previous pro becomes the base model chipset next gen.
Next year the base model will likely have USB3. And lightning worked for 99% of Apple users. The 1% complained a lot, but the majority of iPhone users no longer plug in their phone to anything but the wall.
Honestly, with wireless charging, I rarely even plug it into the wall anymore. The only time I really use the Lightning connector is when I’m out for extended periods of time and need to plug into a power bank.
Same here. I have a MagSafe charger stand on my desk and it’s pretty much the only place I charge now. There’s been a few times I’ve tried to transfer files, but iTunes was such a PoS on Windows that I gave up
Apple users really just didn’t notice the limitations. Whether you consider that “working” is up to you.
Apple users are used to their phones taking ninety minutes to charge and not lasting the whole day. They consider that “normal” and are unlikely to consider that for Android devices, even cheap ones, sub-1 hour fast charging and all-day battery life are standard, not exceptions.
Apple’s (previously) bundled charger is a measly 5 W whereas my cheap $150 OnePlus comes with a 33 W charger, delivering over six times as much power. Granted, Apple devices tend to be more power-efficient than others, but not six times less.
I use my iPhone extensively and it consistently lasts me all day. The iPhone 11 Pro came with a 20w charger in the box (although admittedly they removed the power adapter from the 12)
The context of my original comment is the base iPhone model. Nonetheless, it’s still to be noted that the default charger that came with your iPhone 11 (18 W, not 20 W) still delivers 45% less power than the default 33 W charger that came with my OnePlus Nord N20 5G.
From what I can read online, it takes one hour to go from 0 to 80% on an iPhone 11 Pro using the default charger. It takes my phone a bit over half an hour.
Remember, I am comparing an iPhone with an MSRP of $999 to a phone that I bought for $150. Refurbished iPhone 11 Pros still sell for $300.
I believe that my point that iPhones have comparatively poor chargers for their price point stands. Charging technology has not changed significantly from then to now. The effect of Apple’s recalcitrance is that even the cheapest Android phones can run circles around iPhones when it comes to charging. I hope Apple with take this opportunity to deliver a better product for their users rather than making only incremental improvements to old technology.
My $200 Motorola came with a 68w charger which is quite frankly ludicrous for a phone, and I prefer to use the slow charger so I don’t heat and damage my battery unless I’m in a hurry (and my phone always lasts a whole day of heavy use so I’m almost never in a hurry to charge)
It has nothing to do with features and performance, most people don’t use those anyway. You really don’t need 8-core CPU on your phone but it’s 2 more than 6 and me having 8 and you having 6 has everything to do with that. People love status symbols and pointing them out to others, as if that makes them better by comparison or something.
No matter what others say, you really don’t feel limitations of your device. Sure screen might feel a bit faster, animations might feel more fluid. None of those a crucial to device operation and use and certainly not worth paying premium price for newest iteration that has all those marginally improved. It’s just consumerism at work.
Case in point, pretty much every MacBook Pro has a TPM chip on it (trusted platform module). Guess how many people used it or has it configured to supply entropy to their systems to increase security. ThinkPads also have those, but most other laptops don’t. Even most developers don’t know what those are. They are great addition and extra feature for business users… but for the most part it’s just another thing on the spec sheet that people pay for but never use.
As for the every imaginable feature… it seems they are being removed rather than added. I found 3.5mm jack useful. I wish we still had qwerty keyboards on our big screen devices as most used feature of phones these days is typing. I wish we had expansion slots and memory cards. I wish we had replaceable batteries so you don’t have to depend on finding an outlet on long trips. I wish we had sapphire screens so you don’t have to worry about scratching your screen. I wish we had smaller devices because some people just need a phone and not a tablet or they have smaller hands. But naaah… removing those is considered brave.
I agree. We don’t really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making them buy the new version every year.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop, and that makes a lot of sense as to why people keep wanting more from them.
A growing population whose interaction with technology is entirely and solely through their thumb (or occasionally both thumbs) is such a sad reality, and voice interaction is nowhere near ready to replace traditional computer interfaces (aka keyboard/mouse).
What more do they need?
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop.
Good luck doing any kind of actual productive work on a phone.
Its just a device for chewing through content as fast as your fingers can scroll.
Not everyone needs to use a dedicated desktop/laptop at home. You might do whatever you need to do quicker on a desktop or laptop but if you aren’t working that may not be an issue. I know several people who fit this description.
There’s very little I do in my day to day life that can’t be handled on my phone. If I didn’t game I’d probably have a seldomly used laptop.
Online banking, ordering basically anything, paying bills, paying rent, etc can all be done on mobile now. Systems are now built with mobile as a first class use case because people do so much on their phones. Just because you don’t do it doesn’t mean others can’t.
Yes. But real work I said. You didn’t read my first paragraph.
Try working with a spreadsheet on a phone. OK?
The second paragraph you have a point. It very useful. However, you won’t spend hours with your bankapp or your uber food app. Most of the time its an endless scroller tool. Am I right?
Lol wot? “Every feature imaginable” 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!
They just haven’t yet “imagined” the many new features we have received in the last few years from non-Apple phones. Don’t worry, once Apple “imagines” it, they will acknowledge the only logical truth they could conceive. That Steve Jobs’ consciousness uploaded to an iMac has graced them with innovation once again.
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
100% this
It’s some idiots on Twitter being reposted by a trash tabloid. This site should be banned from here it’s garbage.
I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
It’s better for the environment anyway. Regardless of manufacturer. There’s also almost no need to get a new device every year. Marginal hardware upgrades mean very little to average consumer, it’s just a numbers race and most people don’t really take their devices to the edge of performance.
The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.
The iPhone is their cash cow
Isn’t the Apple ecosystem their cashcow? Get them hooked on one Apple device and “Look! Everything Just Works™” is kind of their shtick.
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now usb-c”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
iPhone makes up like 75% of their hardware revenue.
The haters are looking for any surface to attack.
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features for a fraction of the price.
This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.
There’s nothing overtly insulting here unless you consider implying ignorance an insult
There’s nothing ignorant about people who prefer iOS over Android. Yes, you’re being insulting in a chronically online way.
I didn’t write that I just observed how wrong you are
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Premium Android phones are just as expensive as iPhones and come with worse software quality and shorter support periods.
$Maybe in the us but elsewhere the apple prices are nuts. I bought new s23 for 800$. There is no fucking way I’d pay 1200$ for much worse iphone.
Agreed, the prices for Android are much better when non-US tariffs are involved.
Except you can buy a pixel A series which will work just as well as the most expensive iPhone just slightly slower. I’m at about 3.5 years on a $350 pixel and still it’s the best phone I’ve owned. Yes I know you can buy cheaper iPhones too but aren’t they phasing that out? Like you now normally would have to buy a 1-2 year old model to get a price similar to that. My pixel was brand new and 4-5 months past release I think
The bugs on the PIxel 6 (returned after 2 weeks) and now with Android 12 on a Oneplus phone have me seriously thinking of buying an Iphone next time. Despite the fact I’d rather stay with Android, I’d make the switch and pay $300 more every three years for a phone that is relatively trouble free with decent support.
With 5 years of support too
Base iPhone is midrange device, not a flagship.
No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Isn’t the limit apply to non-pro devices only (which is still ridiculous btw)?
That is correct as the Pro devices have the A17 chip and the non pro are on the older A16 chip.
Wtf so the non pro are even worse than last year pro in every aspect?
no, the 15 is effectively the 14 Pro in an aluminum shell and 2 cameras instead of 3.
And still 950€ for the base model …
Is this a first year sort of thing or is it going to be this way going forward? Like, they didn’t want to have to engineer it for the older chip because it’ll be dropped after this year whereas the A17 will likely power the non-Pro Iphone 16 and the A18 will power the Pro version. I don’t put it past Apple to pull some douchery to try to drive Pro sales, but there could be a logical reason for it.
They’ve done it the last couple of models.
It’s a way to further differentiate the pro from the non pro, and to keep the non pro price the same. They haven’t changed the price on that since the 12.
The base has been $799 since 2020. Inflation alone should mean it would be $950 this year with no other changes.
Seems that it comes down to Apple adding a USB 3 controller in the
A16A17 chip where theA15A16 did not have one embedded. They’d otherwise need to have an external controller to add support in the non-pro phones which is easier said than done when dealing with a phone. Annoying but understandable at least.A17 and A16 respectively. You’re behind a year lol
Thanks - numbers are hard lol
Pro models support up to 10 gigs per second which is a touch more than 2.0
e.g. “pay us to remove the artificial speed.”
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
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Yes, that’s why I’m still driving my model T Ford, because I’m waiting for the next big thing.
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lol
corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions
“its the same phone”
“We put a bigger number on the box.”
We also changed the 14 to a 15
Congratulations, you have discovered car manufacturers too.
I would like to give apple credit for not rebranding USB Type-C and claiming they invented it.
Didn’t they actually participate in it’s invention…?
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they did, yes. something like half of the engineering team that developed USBC was provided by Apple.
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