Until the rule is removed, any new posts about US politics will be removed.
Instead of complaining can someone who dislikes this decision please just create a community like “AskLemmyUS”, post a link here so people can find it and get on with it?
I like preference for self posts!
Proper discussion, not politics echo chamber staffed by dnc clowns
politics echo chamber
That better be talking about a lack of diverse left wing opinions, not just a lack of republicans
both… and more…
US political discourse is a pathetic Republican/Democrat circle jerk, then pika face when all we get are regime whore clowns swapping the office while quality of life deteriorates for bottom 80%
Republicans don’t have any political policy, so it’s not surprising that there’s noyhing to discuss.
Did not stop them from the spanking the “good guys” in these elections lol
Ha ha very funny I love when fundamental rights get eroded
That’s what I’ve told so many complaining people. If anyone wanted to they could make one and it would be filled with users in hours, just click create community. Hell tell the mods here to suggest people go there for those discussions, they’d probably link it in the sidebar. But someone has to do it. (And as a mod of a few other communities, someone else can take that one)
After today’s defederation of discuss.online with hexbear.net, and the post Could Discuss.online become the go-to USA instance?, I created the !askusa@discuss.online community (anyone with an established Discuss.Online account and reputation want to help mod it?). The instance admins don’t want such controversial material like USApolitics, but AskUSA as a nice, friendly community to have neat discussions in is perfectly compatible with the mission statement of my home instance!:-)
I modeled the community name after !AskUK@feddit.uk and made it a sister community, along with this one (any others that should be added?).
But that would be US ExCePtIoNaLiSm!
No, US exceptionalism is turning every single general purpose community into US politics.
For the 4% of Earth’s population that does indeed live in the US, there could be local communities.
It’s still weird to me that there is no US instance. LW and lemm.ee are hosted in Europe, SJW and lemmy.ca in Canada, lemmy.ml and hexbear use a European datacenter.
I mean there is midwest.social and dubvee, but we could have expected a large US instance to have emerged by now.
The closest is probably https://lemmy.today/, but only has 194 users per month.
There used to be dmv.social, which iirc was in Washington DC? It got shut down due to the CSAM attacks, before the automated software, and iirc just frustration in general with how toxic people were being.
And I see a bunch more actually, at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer. 2 of the top 20 instances even are located in the USA. Lemmy.sdf.org with >500 MAUs, beehaw.org with ~400, StarTrek.website with ~200, lemmy.today, ttrpgnetwork, and discuss.online (where jgrim of SubLinks is an admin) are all recognizable. Ofc, the caveat being if I am reading that page correctly - or like perhaps some proxy was used, even a random one and this data could be all wrong who knows - but it at least looks this way?:-)
Lemmy.sdf.org had a lot of federation issues until recently. They are also very FOSS oriented rather than generic
I don’t even consider Beehaw a Lemmy instance anymore as they defederate LW and SJW
I should have probably said “generic US instance”, with communities like AskUSA, CasualUS, this kind of things
In looking into why they defederated, it seems due to the poor implementation of moderation tools and the insistence of the largest instances on unregulated signups, which tend to allow trolls to easily evade blocks? Though from Kbin.social, StarTrek.website, Discuss.Online, and now PieFed.social, I have been able to see Beehaw the entire time iirc.:-)
Speaking as one myself, I think Americans tend not to be so proud of our country, especially lately. The enormous exception is ofc conservatives, who don’t tend to come here.
Part of the reason might be the ginormous size of just thousands of miles separating coast to coast, and more besides to Alaska or Hawaii etc. And more than merely geography there are the cultural divides, between North vs. South, East vs. West, and Midwest, etc. Though none of those matter even half as much as rural vs. urban.
Liberals (urban) tend to feel part of a global community, while conservatives (rural) turn inwards and want to focus only on ourselves - at which point the liberals don’t feel comfortable in such a space, as e.g. X provides. So while there are very good reasons to be, feeling “proud to be an American”, especially on a day like today, seems ironically anti-American, if that makes any sense. But yeah, people definitely are going to want to bitch and moan about the election results - as we should - and ironically there too we will do so alongside our global compatriots, in a global community, and probably on an instance outside of the USA since as you said there isn’t a large major one that seems all that suitable:-).
What about Lemmy.today? You’d want to check with them first ofc. They don’t even have a blocklist at all though - not even the CSAM ones so I don’t know how they do that. At a guess it may cause them problems to send so much traffic.
Or perhaps one of the PieFed or Mbin instances? They federate community content the same as any Lemmy instance I thought. Oh but the moderation aspect might make that prohibitive.
It could be really good to have some of those, like AskUSA where people ask what US State they should move to, to get away from lack of abortion care within their own location:-(. Though ironically an educated European may provide better answers than a confident-sounding American spouting off nonsense, as usual!:-)
Though from Kbin.social, StarTrek.website, Discuss.Online, and now PieFed.social, I have been able to see Beehaw the entire time iirc.:-)
As you know, I’m not the biggest LW fan, but even I wouldn’t use an account defederated from LW, especially with SJW on top. You’re missing probably 80% of the active communities, and 15% of the remaining are on lemmy.ml
Part of the reason might be the ginormous size of just thousands of miles separating coast to coast, and more besides to Alaska or Hawaii etc.
Even with that, why is there no Californian or New York instance? Seems weird to me seen how populous and tech oriented those places are
As a lemmy.today user myself (though not American), it’s cozy in there!
But the numbers are surprisingly low. It’s an instance that is run without donations though, only on the good will of its creator (who refuses donations citing sufficient income to keep it as a hobby project), so I imagine having it big could potentially become a strain.
It’s still weird to me that there is no US instance.
Damn good thing. We definitely don’t want one hosted in a fascist country.
Hey, we won’t be fascist for at least another month or two!? 🗓️
Yes, not until Jan. 20th (MLK Day, he’d be so proud!). But it’s not like someone’s gonna set up a big Lemmy server, then move it to a different country later.
Would it be possible to have a single mega thread for all US politics questions?
There are alot of worried, scared people with alot of questions. Why not have a place for it, keeping the rest out of the community.
Thanks, other communities like !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world don’t have such rules, the community is overriden with questions about US politics
I get that it’s annoying, but we’re sad, and angry, and scared, and we don’t know where to go. Maybe someone will make us a community called “Now what?” where we can cry, shout, wallow a bit, and then make a plan for survival.
Yeah I think both are valid tbh. I get that a lot of people don’t want to hear and and I get that a lot of people are upset. How do you compromise and help with both?
Easy, don’t make rules banning the subjects people want to talk about. Are we so concerned about people’s thumbs we can ask them to just scroll past content that doesn’t interest them but suits the theme of the community?
Be the change you want to see then. You can make that community. I mean this in a supportive way. Go for it!
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
I appreciate the confidence and encouragement, but I’m completely unqualified. I’m likely the least techie lemmy user. If there were tech levels, I would in the ‘I can set up a printer about 60% of the time’ category.
If you remind me later - I have to get ready for work soon - I’ll help you if you want. Its fairly easy. Easier than a printer, so you’re already qualified lol
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
Two posts for you
Sure, but… is “too much discussion” really a problem that Lemmy has? This is kind of a threatening time for some of us, especially if we don’t have a lot of friends irl.
“Too much off topic discussion or discussion in one topic that stifles other conversations”
Better?
What conversations, specifically, are being stifled or overlooked due to US politics? The comm isn’t very active.
Any meme community. Easy example. Are you even trying?
What conversations, specifically
Lol, okay, very specific. I’m also talking about this community, where this rule was made despite there being basically 1 post per hour.
Name a single election topic you know about that’s not US. I’ll wait.
Why? I’m Canadian, so I guess the NATO requirement that we increase military spending to 4% of our GDP ($41 billion dollars). It’s pretty contentious and fucked up. It’s not like I’m an American single-issue voter, sorry to burst your bubble.
I get it, but realistically there’s only like 20 posts a day left in here. Nothing is really getting overrun.
10 yesterday. We are too small for temp rules.
But would those 10 people make other 10 posts when they are overrun by posts unrelated to this community by people who don’t want discussion and just want to vent their anger?
Very good point
I came here since I was fed up with the politics on Reddit.
I was pretty disappointed when I saw the same thing happening here. So thanks!
It’s honestly tiring to see the 20th post on the same topic from a country you don’t live in
at this point i’m starting to believe that the reddit format just rots people’s brains.
i don’t know the reason behind this decision, maybe it was taken in bad faith or something, but the amount of people shitting and pissing themselves over this when there are already other communities better specialized for it is mind numbing.Indeed
Thank you! Could this be permanent? People can use an AskLemmyPolitics community if they really need to.
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
That or maybe politics Friday when those posts are allowed?
pointless. the entire lemmy will be on fire for a month or so.
I’ve blocked all US political communities. I’ve blocked 20+ users who posted US political content in other communities. When I now filter by most popular in the last 24h, it’s only US election outcome content.
Seems like a good reason to have this kind of rules
Also I posted in !newcommunities@lemmy.world a thread for non political communities
I disagree with this decision because people need to ask questions to prepare for their safety.
Please reconsider this rule.
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world has 5 few active threads since yesterday, such as
Feel free to open others if needed
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!
We get 10ish posts here a day… I guess if you want less activity here good job you win. I hate these temp rules in communities.
I only see one thread in the modlog too. Seems kinda weird.
You cant break up with me, i broke with yoi first vibes…
This makes me more likely to actually visit here. I’m sick of reading propaganda and people spouting propaganda from all sides, and I come to spaces like this for funnies, interesting topics, and so on. My political interests go elsewhere. I appreciate not having to wade through them here.
We just had probably the most consequential election of our life and you want to ban discussion? Jeezus.
This is an ask community, not a politics community. Not everything revolves around America
… And now you can’t ask anything about politics. There’s was doubtless going to be political questions to ask, and politic adjacent (where do I move) that will all be removed.
And you can’t even ask about effects on the world either! Gaza, Ukraine, NATO, trade, tariffs, etc. Are those going to be removed? All valid questions, but sounds political to me.
Like way to shut down shit tons of conversation.
THIS ISN’T A DISCUSSION COMMUNITY! IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS. MOST POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS AREN’T OPEN ENDED.
Seriously? You’re this pedantic on the word discussion? Ok I will amend my first comment to:
We just had probably the most consequential election of our life and you want to ban
discussionquestions and the resulting discussion in the comments?Jeez all over again.
Most questions are “How screwed are we?, How did we fuck up this bad? Why are the Republicans so dumb?”. Like, these aren’t the types of questions this community was meant for bruv. And don’t act like you don’t know that.
Then you make a rule “no low effort political questions”.
How about none at all. Go to !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world if you can’t help yourself.
It isn’t called ‘ask lemmy about anything other than politics’.
How does that disqualify US political questions from being posted here, then?
POST IT IN ANOTHER FUCKING COMMUNITY! IF THERE ISN’T ONE, THEN BE PROACTIVE AND CREATE ONE.
They don’t even have to create one, it’s there !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
That’s not what I asked.
Not American, but can’t we let the country with the highest user count have one day to process this and wonder about the consequences? Even I need time and have questions lol. The US and Canada have a very, uh, close relationship, so this affects me too.
Feel free to ask on !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
Not ban, move
Please permanentize this!
