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There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.
Well, now I know what will be my daily driver. Thanks!
Anything to reduce the advertising revenue of these jackasses
Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).
Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.
Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet? This is one of the main reasons I use Magic Earth still. I regularly bounce between that, Organic, and OsmAnd. They all have slightly different features.
Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet?
The organic team doesnt wanna deal with collecting user data so they wont do it. Getting live location data from millions of people basically requires using and feeding into google services and thats a no go.
Ofcourse someone else could do it, but thats just a waste of time, if google can cut you off from their API at any point.
Even if you start your own project, no matter what you do, there will always have to be some company that collects all the data. That company no matter how cool and FOSS will eventually be forced to cooperate with law enforcement and then you are back to what we have now with google.
Location data is just too sensitive and impossible to anonymize properly.
But isn’t there a possibility to fetch data from official websites (like https://stau.info/ in Germany) around your place? It won’t be as good as google, but better than nothing.
As long as it only pulls data and doesnt share any its not as bad. But each of these local services most likely use different APIs and formats, so implementing it wont be so easy. For just large highways its realistic imo, but if you want data for inside cities it becomes impossible.
If the database of traffic info become so large that it’s impossible to download it all at once it means you have to selectively download data for your location/route which makes it possible to infer user location again.
It works well, and I’m a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it’s bassed on). But it doesn’t do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.
If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom’s traffic API, I’d make the switch.
But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I’ve been using it for years now.
Why would it get removed? Can’t have any competition for Google Maps or what? Well, it won’t get removed on F-droid
Nice!
I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.
Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.
Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.
And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.
GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated
The releases page is just as easy to find!
Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).
As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.
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One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)
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Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.
Bare Metal (Debian 12) / ├─ Rootless Podman/ ├─ Forgejo ├─ Forgejo Runner ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/ ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here> * If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.- that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
- that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
Bare Metal ├─ Rootless Podman ├─ Forgejo ├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely) ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).
I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.
I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.
My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily wipe the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.
The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)
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I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t
Oh…I was interested until you said actions. What a terrible system for ci.
What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?
I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.
Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.
Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.
GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.
It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.
You can just write bash scripts in your actions if you want them to be easily replicatable on your local machine, so you don’t really lose anything with that system.
I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.
I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.
can someone make a quick intro to what happends for microsoft to block organicmaps account ?
Going by their Mastodon account, seems they were erroneously detected as “from a US-sanctioned region” and it took too long for said error to be resolved, so they just made the switch.
“US sanctioned region” is russia. The developer team fully consist of russian citizens, some of them are still in russia.
The developer team fully consist of russian citizens
I dont think thats correct. Do you have a source? The predecessor that it was forked from
maps.memaybe, but the current dev team has nothing to do with that project anymore.I was wrong, not entirely, but 6-7 out of 10. Had to doublecheck. https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/people
And there’s a wiki page on maps.me(founders are the same, they just sold it and forked a few years later to create organicmaps) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maps.me
The only person on this list that lives in Russia is Alexey Naumenko. So what are you yappin about? So far i also cant see that name on the new member list https://git.omaps.dev/org/organicmaps/members
mapsme: founded by Yury Melnichek, later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako
organicmaps: founded by Roman Tsisyk (completely unrelated to mapsme) and later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako
So the founders are not the same, but some devs from the old project joined organic maps.
Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.
Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.
yappin
Just adding context, because thir wording makes everyone think like “out of the blue, by some stupid coincidence one of the developers possibly seemed to be somewhere around some misteruous sanctioned region”
Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.
I didnt…
My last edit was at: Saturday, March 29th, 2025 at 9:34:06 AM GMT+01:00
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Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.
Then where are you getting 6-7 from? Those people could be Polish or Ukrainian or born somewhere completely different. They could have moved, changed citizenship, whatever. I dont know. You dont know.
Why aren’t russian people allowed to upload code. Why does the US get to dictate everything
Microsoft is a US based company. They cannot legally make business with sanctioned entities. And since it’s not profitable for them - they just made a geoblock geoblock
Could MS ignore the sanctions in that case? probably
Shit. I live in Denmark. How do you download a whole github repository, commits, issues and all?
You can make git clone and get all the code and commits. Issues are a GitHub feature and they cannot be downloaded by a simple git command
Good question. Commits are easy - they are part of git core functionalities so are included in every copy of the repository (for example developers’ local copies) but github specific contents like comments, issues, PRs…?
No, it they didn’t change anything add new git remote to the new address
you can set up a repo mirror with forgejo
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Who could have ever anticipated Git hub going to shoot after Microsoft bought it
don’t worry more ai slop in github will fix it
Microsoft products definitely gets worse over time lol
Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.
Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?
Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it
That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)
If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.
By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:
GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.
Yeah but it’s not Microsoft-controlled
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Ok then use CodeBerg or SourceHut. Just anything that’s not GitHub
We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized and federated, like Lemmy. I don’t want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug…
Edit: Added “and federated”
Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.
Git is decentralized itself… You don’t even need forgejo to host your changes
Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.
The issue tracker is usually the concern
Yeah, that was my point in the first comment… But not only that…
The development with multiple people is decentralized, yes…
But even, if I add 3 remotes to my repo (1 to GitHub, 1 to Forgejo instance A and 1 to Forgejo instance B), guess what happens, if you don’t have an account on each of these… Try pushing code or making a pull request and see how it fails, because you are not authenticated…
SourceHut encourages an e-mail–based workflow that does not require anyone but the repository owner to have an account. In fact, that’s how Git originally worked before GitHub enshittified it.
How would decentralization work for an issue tracker? The issues have to be stored somewhere.
naturally on the instance that hosts the repo
The issues should be central, but it would be nice for my reputation as a contributor to migrate between instances.
Federation is on their roadmap
There is this, havent tried
Gitea has basic federation, I believe
Gitea is where Forgejo forked from.
if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
That’s interesting. Did not even know, Mastodon supported doing something like this…
There is still a difference: There is no profile in the end. I might create 2 bug reports, bit they won’t be linked to each other.
Have you heard of … Git?
:-)
Edit: I was jesting, got interesting responses!
There is no command
git issue create [hostname] [title] [description]and if there was such a command, it’d require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there…
And even, if you commit code or make a pull request… Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself… It won’t work.
You mean git inherently requires you to identify yourself?
Huh, shock
I’m not sure what you are trying to say.
My point was from the beginning that I don’t want to create 2 accounts when I report a bug a bug on Forgejo instance 1 and on instance 2.
The suggestion whether I have heard about git does not solve anything about that…
Some one else here mentioned that it’s possible to login with Mastodon on each of the instance, which is the correct direction (allows to report a bug on both instances via an external account). Disadvantage is still: My 2 bug reports are not linked to each other, because there is no shared Forgejo profile, which would actually require something like federation.
git identification has nothing to do with authentication, as any sane person with git experience knows
Wouldn’t it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?
Do you know how lemmy works?
I do, what I don’t know is how Forgejo works. Doesn’t having to make an account for every project mean it’s already decentraliced, but just doesn’t communicate between instances?
I agree that it’s already kind of decentralized, so I also added the word “federated” to my original post.
Okay, that makes it way more clear ;b
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I think that’s bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it’s on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can’t).
If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason
Yeah please just rotate the secret if that happens. Doesn’t matter what platform it is, this is true of GitHub as well. Secrets that are accidentally published are no longer secret.
Yeah it’s not an insurmountable problem but it has happened to me where I push some commits and I realize “oh lemme remove this code because it leaks a little info about me personally” etc
Obviously you go and change the key instead?
I did not mean decentralized hosting of the projects (e.g. your project will be on all instances).
I meant decentralized account usage (e.g. you can use your example.com forgejo account to create an issue on otherexample.org)… Just like Lemmy… I could use my reddthat.com lemmy account to create a post on your instance lemmy.world without having to register there.
that’s already a concern. what if someone just cloned your repo? there’s also plenty of people that mirror public repos to their personal forgejo server. forgejo makes it very easy.
the only solution to mitigate such a mistake is to
1) invalidate the token
2) remove the commitIn that order.
You are correct in principle, but Lemmy isn’t on a blockchain. It’s much less permanent.
Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.
Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?
Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think
That’s weird. Russians and Americans aren’t sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.
They got unbanned, but it eroded trust that it won’t happen again
Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.
Edit: They’ve gone self hosted. That makes more sense.
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Why did they get removed? I feel like I’m missing a whole backstory here.
Seemingly one of the contributors has visited a disputed region and logged into GitHub from there. By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal. But either Microsoft dragged it’s feet in communicating and resolving the issue or the organic maps team was not doing their part in the process. Doesn’t matter, the outcome is still worth it.
By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal.
not normal at all! don’t serve the website. that is normal. but ban anyone logging in seemingly from there, on sight? that’s literally “shoot first, ask later” in tech! totally abnormal, if this is the reason
Don’t shoot the messenger. The regulations are pretty draconic. I have to ensure the training for that every year.
Apparently, one of the contributors did a push while visiting Cuba and since Cuba in sanctioned by US they just blocked the entire repo. Insane.
Source?
Probably.
No self-respecting DEV would update README.md…
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43492578
Other places mentioned ‘U.S. sanctioned region’.
They’re a direct competitor to one of microsoft’s products, and a better one at that.
Ah, the threatened oligarchy is at it again. I’m sure its purely a coincidence and not at all a retaliation for people abandoning big tech en masse.
Nice! It even supports the same RSS feed format. For anyone who also wants FOSS releases injected straight into their veins https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/releases.atom
is forgejo the same thing as codeberg? it looks similar… just curious
Foregejo : codeberg = lemmy : blahaj.zone
Forgejo being a fork of gitea
And gitea is the fork of gogs, just to complete the family tree
I believe Forgejo lets you self host while Codeberg provides the hosting.
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CodeBerg is a Forgejo instance
Sucks for Organic Maps but that’s the FAANG.
As long as they are still publishing the apk to f-droid, as a user I hardly care where it’s hosted.
I’m looking forward to the time Forgejo starts supporting Forgefed
Yeah with their recent grant it looks like it’s the next priority, that will be pretty neat:
