Why is it never the other way around? I’m sick of EULA updates silently enrolling me into things i never asked for
They are asking for legal trouble anyway, at least in Europe
And we’ll just watch them either get slapped by an insignificant fine, or watch them weasel their way out of this again, by claiming they made you agree to some perpetual abandonment of rights, like they always do
Or pay a fine of half a billion or so, but only 15 years later
Plus the options are frequently hidden and unclear.
I thought disabling One Drive on my Windows machine would keep it from syncing to the cloud. Nope, it just changed where the files were stored but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn’t running.
In the case of google, I assume that turning off the Gemini bullshit doesn’t have any impact on it copying all the content to their servers even if you don’t see it happening.
but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn’t running.
I don’t understand why users and our justice system let them get away with this. This is malicious. Your operating system is literally literally malware. It does not respect your choices and it steals your information.
to shove it in people’s faces who would never go out of their way to turn it on. probably like 99% of people.
Maybe the even more important question: Why can you even opt out? Why is this not done on-device, without anything going anywhere to begin with?
I mean, I know the answer, you know the answer, everyone knows the answer. If this was truly privacy preserving, there would be no need to opt out.
It’s part of the abuse.
As Louis Rossmann likes to say, this is a rapist mentality.
Ask for forgiveness instead of permission.
A single message now generates 20 different summaries and analyses, requiring a rack of GPUs and a diesel generator.
We’re so lucky that electricity is unlimited and free, otherwise it might’ve caused a serious problem.
Don’t worry, this stuff is why companies like Google want to build and run their own nuclear power plants. What could possibly go wrong?
Most email is short. I don’t see a need to summarize it. Google is run by idiots and assholes.
Ai will write complicated long mails, you’ll need an Ai to summarise it
If an email needs to be summarized, I’m not going to read it anyway.
ive actually used it at work for stuff like “when did Wendy approve the design? did she send it to brian?” when I have 5 different email threads over 3 different organizations, with 10 different respondees. But in personal use I would never.
If mine could do that “find me the approval email for x last week” I’d use it, but if outlook had a decent search I wouldn’t need it.
I’d settle for AI clipping out everyone’s redundant signatures, .gif logos, comic sans bible quotes, and everything else packed into email that people use as direct messaging. Or my coworkers could just use WebEx for chats instead of emails.
Eat more AI! We’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on this fucking garbage, so EAT IT! Yeah! It’s in your email! It’s in your car! IT’S IN YOUR TEETH (launch date: Q2 2026)!
You jest, but I’ve already seen “AI-powered” toothbrushes on shelves. Let’s give even more health data to corporate giants!
You go ahead and waste resources on summarizing the 200 emails a day in my spam account, you fucking morons.
How the hell can they even afford that?! There are so many Gmail users and so many emails a second and Gemini will summarize them all? That sounds so expensive and like a waste of resources
It is, but the bubble mustn’t burst or the grifters will stop making money selling “the end of skilled labor” to braindead capitalists.
Actually, investment in AI is necessary for competing with other nations.
The “end of skilled labor” selling point is just to cover up that fact that we need AI because other nations will have it.
Countries are modern-day fiefs.
Google makes a lot of money, and summarising stuff uses a surprisingly small amount of energy. You can do it trivially on-device on a laptop and on plenty of phones.
When it comes to LLMs, training the models is generally the thing that requires ridiculous amounts of energy.
This is dumb as fuck, though. I don’t want Google’s LLM to miss out critical details in my emails. That shit could be important. If people want this they should opt in.
They probably use a smaller model for summarizing.
It’s so weird that we have to go through hoops and loops to get rid of this stuff! I was sick of my Android responding to a long press of the power button, meant to shut it down, with a Gemini prompt. Took me an hour to figure out I can’t get rid of the function, but I can switch back (for now) to old style Google Assistant.
If you have to force functionality down your users’ throat despite them not wanting it, you already lost. Gemini is Google’s Clippy, just less iconic and more also-ran.
If you have to force functionality down your users’ throat despite them not wanting it, you already lost.
As much as I’d like to think so, they’re not stupid, they know what they’re doing. They cram it in your face to make sure you know it’s there. And most people don’t care.
Unless I opt out of Gmail? Yep, already done.
Meh. I can’t find a good sub for YouTube and Gmail is my “uh oh did I mess up my email server back”.
I’ve been considering hush mail. I don’t like Europe. I’d rather move to Canadian
Canada isn’t going to be a safe bet in the long run. They have a reprieve for now but they always end up doing whatever America does just a few years later.
I’ll take my chances. I don’t have enough of a connection to Europe to put full trust in Europe. Maybe if the Netherlands wins euro 2025
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buy domain
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buy hosting
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get email
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use thunderbird
Mega brain move right here. Combined with a multitude of open source web mail clients and ur golden. SOGo and roundcube my beloved.
solid recommendations roundcube is goat
that takes me back to mid 2000s and horde webmail :)
Would having aliases be a good way to bypass when a website denies your emails from your domain (which is known occurrence for who self-hosts their own email system)?
Your new dentist/GP practice when you try to sign up?
@ Thunderbird? What is that?
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More opt outs… Everyone, just opt out of big tech
We should opt into little tech. A guy in Venezuela just trying to buy a couple days food will read your email and summarize it for you!
This made me think of the South Park episode where they’re hiring people to replace the Amazon Alexa and stuff.
So this is why I got an email that was completely wrong.
I told a guy I used to work for that I moved and it’s the perfect place to help him and his company.
He replied that he hopes I found a house where I used to live.
wtf it’s like he never read the email at all, now that this AI trash was added, the email makes sense.
I guess he is fucked and doesn’t get the help he needs for his company.
Ok this is the first step where I feel an actual urge to look for Gmail alternatives. (Been a Gmail user since like 2007.) I’m a desktop-only Gmail user, but I can see where this is going… :/ Also heavy user of Google Drive and Sheets, so it’s going to be annoying if I have to replace all of them :/
For me it was: Gmail to Tuta, Drive to Filen.io (some cheap German guys). But Sheets would be the most difficult. Maybe Zoho or Infomaniak? Infomaniak has the complete package IIRC.
thanks, I’ll check them out!
Cool, how do I disable this shit feature?
Stop using the shit service.
In reply to all of the complaints here: I’ve never seen anything about Gemini on my Graphene OS device. 🤷♂️
I’m surprised so many people who probably use Linux use a stock operating system on their phones
Despite efforts to the contrary, PC is still an inherently far more open platform, with better alternatives available.
I’m not sure what you mean? Are you saying Linux is a better alternative to windows than, e.g., LineageOS is to android?
I’m saying it’s more accessible, and probably better known.
PCs are fundamentally designed to be OS-agnostic, Android hardware is not.
Better known, sure, but idk if it’s fair to say it’s more accessible. I’ve had less trouble using custom ROMs on my smartphones than I’ve had with Linux on PC
Linux is a better alternative to windows than, e.g., LineageOS is to android?
It’s true. Camera apps for example are much, much worse than the OEM version.
Unless it’s quite shitty.
I’ve got Ulefone, and the default audio source (software) is dogshit quality. And that’s what the camera app uses, unless I use something like Open Camera where I can manually select “Unprocessed” rather than default.
For the idea
Default: https://files.catbox.moe/d2n7sg.flac
Unprocessed: https://files.catbox.moe/xf9ab8.flacVery obvious, at least with earphones.
That’s ok :) All my important mails go to proton
The Proton owner is Trump-y. Tuta is another option
It was a really stupidly worded comment on his part. If he meant Big Tech and Little Tech spwcifically rather than Big Business in general and individual people, his choice of words and the claim that the tables had “completely turned” are really unfortunate. Tagging the annoying orange directly also doesn’t help make this look like it’s about the pick, rather than the picker.
As an aside, forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm until I see her actually pull something through and not just end up another way to cripple ElMo’s competition.
I can’t go changing my email every time a ceo flips a switch and goes crazy. Your all gonna have to find something better than ‘just try this other one’
Get your own domain and use it for mail routing to whichever email service of your choice. Afaik gmail offers this, and so does probably any other decent email provider. That way if a provider turns to shit, you just need to set up with a different one, but don’t have to change any accounts.
Downside: you will have to pay for that domain for the rest of your life (or change all accounts again)
I’ve been meaning to do this for a while, maybe I’ll finally do it now.
You can have Google forward your emails while you move over your accounts
Self hosting then
Btw (sort of just thinking out loud) could paying for an email domain be a solution? I see many webhosts offering email + domain packages for like 1-3 GBP/month, and we could just download the emails into, say, Thunderbird, so if a company turns shit, we still have the domain and all the emails received/sent over the years.
Ive actually been thinking about doing something like this. Im tired of being forced to rely on some company’s computer
Good luck getting people to pay for their own email setups let alone learn what it takes to host themselves and move said hosted setup around as the hosting service ceo’s flip scripts.
Evidence?
We should also be boycotting businesses that support establishment democrats.
The only thing I use my Google Account for is my TV. I haven’t logged into my gmail in years. And even that is a stretch. I use Jellyfin, and a sideloaded youtube client that doesn’t send anything back to Googs.
