Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department says there "appears to be multiple victims" as authorities respond to an active shooter in Beam Hall at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
When faced with any sort of violence, those are your best options, in order.
RUN, if you can.
HIDE, if you can.
FIGHT, if you have to.
Guns aren’t magic aim-botted kill machines. Plus, these assholes are scared and shaking, not exactly Navy SEALs. So yeah, running is indeed an option, especially if you jack rabbit. Engaging a moving target is far harder than punching holes in paper.
Advice from a military veteran, you can run in a straight line to safety and be fine. Real life guns are not as accurate at video game guns. Ran as fast to safety as you can.
I have to disagree. At reasonable distances, guns feel even more accurate in real life than video games for me.
It’s almost unnatural how effective they are at hitting their targets. I was hitting things without even realizing it until I went to check the damage.
As someone who is not afraid of guns and owns and uses guns a moving target is just literally harder to hit.
Analogy would be a car it’s easier to drive a car while stationary it’s hard to drive a car on the freeway with other moving cars.
“According to the California Highway Patrol (CHP), there were 216,366 traffic accidents in the state in 2022, which resulted in 3,854 fatalities and 165,978 injuries”
And people in cars are not trying to hurt anyone. 🤣
While the Ulvade police are obviously dogshit, better police didn’t mean a better outcome for Sandy Hook, because better police isn’t the answer.
You’re functionally suggesting there is an acceptable amount of time for a gunman to be shooting children that’s greater than 9 minutes but less than an hour and a half.
Sure. So either 9 minutes of shooting children is acceptable or the police response to Sandy Hook was also unacceptable, which is not something anybody suggested at the time.
Personally, I’m going to go with “there is no duration of shooting children that is acceptable and the intervention needs to happen before they’re sold a gun”.
Yup, it’s pretty common training in America these days.
First, try to run. Just get out via whichever exit is in the opposite direction of the gunshots. But running isn’t always an option. Maybe there are multiple shooters, or you’re in an area without a second exit. Pretty common in schools, where each classroom only has one door. So you fall back to the second option:
Hide. Fortify your position if possible. Lock and barricade doors, shut off lights, and find somewhere to hide. You want to make yourself an unattractive target, because mass shooters are looking for easy targets. They want to hit as many people as possible, so they aren’t going to waste time searching potentially empty rooms and forcing their way past furniture barricades for what could turn out to be only one or two people. You don’t even unlock the door for the police, because it could be a shooter in disguise. If the cops are there, they’ll have a master key for the building and will be able to unlock it themselves. But if the shooter does manage to get into your hiding area, that’s when you fall back to option three:
Fight. While hiding and barricading, you’re also looking for improvised weapons. A broken chair leg, a flagpole with a point on the end to use as a spear, a fire extinguisher to blind and bludgeon, etc… You quietly plan with the others in your hiding area, because you all need to be on the same page: If the shooter is determined to get into your room, every single person in that room needs to be prepared to kill the shooter. It’s kill or be killed. Everyone needs to swarm the shooter, don’t give them a chance to shoot you one at a time. If five people fight, one or two people may get shot before the shooter is killed. If everyone just freezes, the shooter will kill all five of you. So you all hit the shooter hard, you hit them fast, and you don’t stop until they’re completely incapacitated.
I got that training when I was a university student a while back. Officer Friendly came and showed us a video about it in the seminar room.
When you hear gunshots, you’re supposed to run away (if it seems safe), or hide somewhere and barricade yourself in (if you can’t run), or try to surprise and fight off the gunman (if you think your hiding spot is about to be discovered).
I asked if I should run in a straight line or in a zigzag pattern or something. The officer said it’s best to run for cover. I asked what to do if there was no cover. I forget what the advice for that situation was. I think the officer said people’s aim sometimes isn’t that great.
I guess it’s better than freezing and waiting to die.
Opps, I just posted something similar. Most gunman don’t aim, at all, they just point in the general direction so speed is your friend. Even in combat we noticed few ever properly aim, breathe, and take the time to lead a target. Run like hell and you’ll be okay. Standing still or moving slow increase you odds of being hit.
It’s the new stop drop and roll. Though I constantly see videos of people on for seemingly taking the active shooter advice and sprinting away from the flames attached to them.
What did it work to accomplish? I don’t recall any nuclear bombs being dropped on any cities post 1945…
Duck and cover was shitty ineffective social programming to placate yet keep the gen pop scared and nodding instead of the leaders of the world acting like fucking adults.
It’s an example of politicians failing, of leaders incapable or unwilling to compromise and imagine any solution where they are a single color in a painting and not the whole painting.
The article says:
“RUN-HIDE-FIGHT.”
Are they seriously saying that to students?? What does that mean, when faced with an armed gunman?
When faced with any sort of violence, those are your best options, in order.
RUN, if you can.
HIDE, if you can.
FIGHT, if you have to.
Guns aren’t magic aim-botted kill machines. Plus, these assholes are scared and shaking, not exactly Navy SEALs. So yeah, running is indeed an option, especially if you jack rabbit. Engaging a moving target is far harder than punching holes in paper.
Advice from a military veteran, you can run in a straight line to safety and be fine. Real life guns are not as accurate at video game guns. Ran as fast to safety as you can.
I have to disagree. At reasonable distances, guns feel even more accurate in real life than video games for me.
It’s almost unnatural how effective they are at hitting their targets. I was hitting things without even realizing it until I went to check the damage.
Range targets are not moving people.
Life is not a gun range.
Yeah, but that applies to video games as well as the real world.
Exactly, range practice has more in common with video games than real life.
But you think plinking at a range gives you insight to actual running and gunning.
No, you’re just making up things because… well I don’t know why lol. Prolly reddit-brained or something.
I’m talking about the accuracy of the machines themselves. They are very accurate, or at least the ones I’ve used.
Maybe he’s born with it
Maybe it’s Maybelline
You don’t have to be faster than the bullet, you just have to be faster than your friends.
So don’t hang out with the track team. Hang out with the AV Club.
My friends think I’m so generous with the lavish feasts all the time. Little do they know.
Rule #1: Cardio.
A moving target drops your chances of being hit by 90%.
1 in 10 shots hit a moving target, in general.
So that’s why the cops don’t like it when we run
I’d love to see the data under the hood on that.
Does that apply to military scenarios? Does it distinguish indoors vs outdoors? Pistol vs. Rifle vs. Magazine size?
As someone who is not afraid of guns and owns and uses guns a moving target is just literally harder to hit.
Analogy would be a car it’s easier to drive a car while stationary it’s hard to drive a car on the freeway with other moving cars.
“According to the California Highway Patrol (CHP), there were 216,366 traffic accidents in the state in 2022, which resulted in 3,854 fatalities and 165,978 injuries”
And people in cars are not trying to hurt anyone. 🤣
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While the Ulvade police are obviously dogshit, better police didn’t mean a better outcome for Sandy Hook, because better police isn’t the answer.
You’re functionally suggesting there is an acceptable amount of time for a gunman to be shooting children that’s greater than 9 minutes but less than an hour and a half.
“less than an hour and a half.”
Yeah, I’m going with this one. The guys with guns (police) need to cut the response time down to less than an hour and a half.
At least that’s my suggestion.
Sure. So either 9 minutes of shooting children is acceptable or the police response to Sandy Hook was also unacceptable, which is not something anybody suggested at the time.
Personally, I’m going to go with “there is no duration of shooting children that is acceptable and the intervention needs to happen before they’re sold a gun”.
Run if you can, hide if you can, fight if you have to. Essentially, you’re on your own, we can’t do anything to help you or stop gun violence.
Interestingly that’s the name of a film about…a mass shooter at a school
Ouch!
Yup, it’s pretty common training in America these days.
First, try to run. Just get out via whichever exit is in the opposite direction of the gunshots. But running isn’t always an option. Maybe there are multiple shooters, or you’re in an area without a second exit. Pretty common in schools, where each classroom only has one door. So you fall back to the second option:
Hide. Fortify your position if possible. Lock and barricade doors, shut off lights, and find somewhere to hide. You want to make yourself an unattractive target, because mass shooters are looking for easy targets. They want to hit as many people as possible, so they aren’t going to waste time searching potentially empty rooms and forcing their way past furniture barricades for what could turn out to be only one or two people. You don’t even unlock the door for the police, because it could be a shooter in disguise. If the cops are there, they’ll have a master key for the building and will be able to unlock it themselves. But if the shooter does manage to get into your hiding area, that’s when you fall back to option three:
Fight. While hiding and barricading, you’re also looking for improvised weapons. A broken chair leg, a flagpole with a point on the end to use as a spear, a fire extinguisher to blind and bludgeon, etc… You quietly plan with the others in your hiding area, because you all need to be on the same page: If the shooter is determined to get into your room, every single person in that room needs to be prepared to kill the shooter. It’s kill or be killed. Everyone needs to swarm the shooter, don’t give them a chance to shoot you one at a time. If five people fight, one or two people may get shot before the shooter is killed. If everyone just freezes, the shooter will kill all five of you. So you all hit the shooter hard, you hit them fast, and you don’t stop until they’re completely incapacitated.
I got that training when I was a university student a while back. Officer Friendly came and showed us a video about it in the seminar room.
When you hear gunshots, you’re supposed to run away (if it seems safe), or hide somewhere and barricade yourself in (if you can’t run), or try to surprise and fight off the gunman (if you think your hiding spot is about to be discovered).
I asked if I should run in a straight line or in a zigzag pattern or something. The officer said it’s best to run for cover. I asked what to do if there was no cover. I forget what the advice for that situation was. I think the officer said people’s aim sometimes isn’t that great.
I guess it’s better than freezing and waiting to die.
Opps, I just posted something similar. Most gunman don’t aim, at all, they just point in the general direction so speed is your friend. Even in combat we noticed few ever properly aim, breathe, and take the time to lead a target. Run like hell and you’ll be okay. Standing still or moving slow increase you odds of being hit.
Sounds like the same training they give hospital employees.
Yeah, that stood out to me as crazy too.
I think it’s really just propaganda: pretending to do something when in reality doing nothing.
Like, who the fuck isn’t going to do that?
It’s the new stop drop and roll. Though I constantly see videos of people on for seemingly taking the active shooter advice and sprinting away from the flames attached to them.
Stop drop and roll isn’t intuitive or instinctual and should be taught so people have an idea of what to do if they’re ever on fire.
Apparently you’ve never seen someone freeze in a tense situation. Running from an immediate threat isn’t hardwired into every animal, humans included.
Did you mean Duck and Cover? It worked in the Cold War.
What did it work to accomplish? I don’t recall any nuclear bombs being dropped on any cities post 1945…
Duck and cover was shitty ineffective social programming to placate yet keep the gen pop scared and nodding instead of the leaders of the world acting like fucking adults.
It’s an example of politicians failing, of leaders incapable or unwilling to compromise and imagine any solution where they are a single color in a painting and not the whole painting.
Shoot back.
And get gunned down by the cops maybe.
Police will absolutely kill you if you kill the gunman.