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    11 months ago

    That’s a question for the “war cabinet” of Israel.

    Even with only 1 head, the “Hydra” caused horrendous damages and will do it again.

    IMO, cease-fire with Hamas is like cease-fire with Putin or cease-fire with Hitler. It’s just a time to prepare for the next stage of the conflict. Again and again and again and again. But as long as the people in power stay the same, it won’t end.

    Look at the Wikipedia article of Hamas and search for “cease-fire”… That’s not a new concept in this conflict.

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      11 months ago

      So it has no plans to avoid the Hydra effect.

      Btw a ceasefire now means 2.3 million people will not starve to death.

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        11 months ago

        So it has no plans to avoid the Hydra effect.

        We better hope, they have. And I don’t think, their strategy is based on “Let’s destroy and decide afterwards”. The Israel opposition is also involved in the decision.

        2.3 million people will not starve to death

        The 2.3 million is obviously exaggerated. That’s the total population, but I accept that argument. Cease-fire can reduce “starving to death”, but it’s clear, that temporary “peace” is not permanent peace.

        IMO, Netanyahu has a time window for external support. The longer this takes, the less the support. And that’s why they are pushing this operation.


        I hope, this ends with a Hamas out of power, followed by the Israel opposition getting rid of Netanyahu, who is very unpopular since the attack on Israel. With a new government in Gaza and a new one in Israel, maybe, this gives them the opportunity to solve this conflict.

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          11 months ago

          Let me explain the Hydra effect to you, maybe you don’t get it… Them taking this approach is guaranteed to create the next extremist group within a few years. Israel has already created the next Hamas.

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            11 months ago

            I understand what you meant.

            Them taking this approach is guaranteed to create the next extremist group within a few years

            I’d disagree that is guaranteed.

            • Trying to get rid of Hamas => There is a chance to resolve this forever. Maybe, this will fail. Maybe, it won’t.
            • Not doing anything => There is an extremist group (Hamas) and they will attack again, because their main goal is to destroy Israel. That’s what they say.
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              11 months ago

              I think if you understood the Hydra effect, you wouldn’t say that. Yes, it’s guaranteed.

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                11 months ago

                Come on… You compared Hamas with a hydra, not me. All my previous comments are pretty much signalizing that the hydra comparison is bad, because there is a chance to beat Hamas and solve the problem.

                Just because you make that comparison does not make it a fact that trying to get rid of Hamas results in a new extremist organization.

                Either we talk about the conflict between Hamas and Israel or about Greek mythology… 😉

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                  Either we talk about the conflict between Hamas and Israel or about Greek mythology… 😉

                  Do you understand I’m talking about fighting extremism and not a lady with snakes for hair? The Hydra effect is a problem in counter extremism.

                  I am now completely convinced you don’t undertand what the Hydra effect is at all. Maybe I wasn’t clear, sorry about that…I suggest this excellent video from the Lines on Maps guy.. He is more qualified to talk about this.

                  The Hydra effect basically means that for every fighter you kill, two new ones will emerge. Killing the whole family of a young man or women, where do you think that would lead them? That’s because the root cause (oppression of Palestinians) is never solved. In fact, Israel is now making it worse with genocide and ethnic cleansing.

                  Causing violence, mayhem, and oppression is what brought Hamas about, and it’s what Israel is doing again to bring more Hamas-like factions about.

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                    not a lady with snakes for hair

                    Jesus Christ, that’s Medusa, not Hydra…


                    I am now completely convinced you don’t understand what the Hydra effect is at all.

                    No, of course not!!!1111 It’s very difficult to understand the word!!!111 Totally impossible to apply the “you slice 1 head off and 2 new ones appear” on the Hamas conflict to get “for every fighter you kill, two new ones will emerge”… Only you are able to do this /s


                    The Hydra effect basically means that for every fighter you kill, two new ones will emerge.

                    Good job. And now, you need to understand this: I don’t believe, that your theory “WE WILL FOR SURE EXPERIENCE THE HYDRA EFFECT” necessarily applies here!!

                    Do you understand that??

                    You act like it’s a fact that it’s 100% impossible that Israel could get rid of Hamas and that a new Gaza government and a new Israel government can find a persistent solution. It’s not.


                    You can not negotiate a persistent peace with an organization that has the main goal to destroy Israel. Their main goal is not a separate state. Their main goal is to destroy Israel!! Please tell me how you’d negotiate with them…

                    Hamas is a pain in the *** for Israel, but also for the civilians in Gaza. If Hamas stays, there won’t be peace and we make sure that even more generations of people die there.