Linux is all good if you only play singleplayer games. My friends started playing the finals yesterday and it doesn’t run on linux because of EAC. Windows can run all my games without any proton switching and all the nvidia features like ray reconstruction and pathtracing with frame generation just works (alan wake 2 looks so good).
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More like anticheat is holding back the adoption of linux and linux adoption/recommendation will be easier if all the games works.
Cool, so since you left linux why are you posting this here?
We all know windows is more compatible by design of the capitalism machine, we left it by choice for a reason.
Why so hostile? Responses like yours are not going to make people come back to Linux anytime soon.
I have to agree with @semperverus - I find this post as dumb as going to a windows forum as posting about having moved to linux.
That’s not “dumb” tho, that’s how you don’t end up with an echochamber. Windows communities should discuss the shortcomings of windows, but also linux communities should accept and/or help resolve issues with linux. If the point of this community is to just praise linux and say nothing bad about it then what’s even the point of it, it’s just going to give a false impression to anyone thinking of switching over.
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OP even said that Linux is all good if you play single-player games.
It is you who chose to interpret the post as “Linux bad, Windows better”.
Do you think OP would have tried Linux in the first place if they genuinely thought that?
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It is true, i mean if you are into popular online first person shooters on twitch linux is not the best choice. And it doesn’t help when you come back say, those games are not worth playing.
But this is not a problem with Linux, really. There are many multiplayer and using some king of anti-cheat system games that work perfectly fine. The developer of this one simply didn’t care (or didn’t want for whatever reason) for the game to run on Linux in any form, so it’s not working. Sometimes you get lucky and Wine can run a game like this but this is not the real solution. If developer wants it to run on Mac, they create a Mac build, they want it to run on older Windows, they probably have to prepare separate build for older Windows, they want it to run on consoles, they create builds for the consoles they want it to run. Linux/Proton/Wine build seems to be missing
From your perspective it is not a Linux problem. From the perspective of the user who sees all those “Linux is as good for gaming as windows nowadays!” posts and expects his OS to just work, it is a Linux issue that would be resolved by not using Linux.
Besides, I know nobody gives a shit what we write here in the fediverse but generally speaking you get the change to happen by making enough noise about it. If nobody talks that the dev x doesn’t support the linux build, whether its because of EAC or something else, then nothing will ever change about it so stifling these discussions is not good for anyone.
OP should be complaining to the game dev then, not trolling the Linux community about it.
If I buy a thing and it has a different plug, the problem is not my outlets, but producer/seller
Oh, I am definitely not against shaming a developer that does that. We (Linux gaming community) have been complaining about this long before Valve even had a native Linux client. But as long as developers don’t pay attention if the game will run on Linux (native or Wine), there isn’t really much Linux community could do about
There is technically no such thing as a “Proton/Wine build”.
I’m sure Steam knows what client it uses. Which means there could be. And having a build that works with a defined version of Wine or Proton would be such a build
And having a build that works with a defined version of Wine or Proton would be such a build
That would be a stupid approach though, Proton gets improvements and bug fixes all the time. They’d be missing out if they locked their game to one particular version. As long as they did the bare minimum & aren’t actively hampering support on purpose like Epic Games does, then the game will work and any bugs will be patched by Valve and the community.
as dumb as going to a windows forum as posting about having moved to linux
Which is exactly what is happening on Windows-related posts all over Lemmy.
Then please downvote them. Fanboyism is stupid regardless of what you’re shilling for.
I only post if I think it’s directly relevant and constructive. Like noting Steam Deck compat for a game, or if someone asks about Linux on something I happen to be browsing. Then again, Linux isn’t new or fresh to me, it’s just the thing I’ve been using for 15 or so years, so I suppose I’m less excited about it than someone who just found it in the past year or something.
In 2023 we still have folks telling linux uses we have to kowtow to non-linux users?
Someone doesn’t want to run linux, fine. Popping into a Linux community to stick your tongue out and letting folks know you are going back to Windows? That’s no better than a troll. Like those folks who used to make a big post to tell you they were leaving reddit or other forum because someone made them angry. (And I don’t mean the Spez debacle)
ALL the shit that’s awful about MS and Windows is less awful to OP than running Linux. OK. Well, that’s free will.
Some things in life don’t need to be announced. No one is shaking their head in sad defeat right now because OP went back to Windows.
You can check on the previous posts i made in this community. It always sucks when a friend wants to play a game with incompatible anticheat and you tell him about linux. This created a bad impression about linux for him. If you want linux gaming to grow anticheat compatibility should be a top priority. Windows is not all that bad if you remove/modify the annoying parts of windows and everything just works.
This created a bad impression about linux for him. If you want linux gaming to grow anticheat compatibility should be a top priority.
The person it needs to be a priority for is the developer, not anyone you are addressing here. If it makes Linux look bad and not the developer look bad, that’s the fault of whoever is choosing not to understand the root of the problem.
But the people like my friend who is the majority here doesn’t care if it is the dev or linux. They know they cant get a seamless experience if you switch from windows, which he will also preach to his friends. Most people want their stuff to work with minimal effort. People like me and you who care beyond that is a minority.
I get that, but the proper response is definitely NOT “yeah it’s Linux’s fault” just because OP doesn’t look further than that. (Edit: forgot you were OP when I first wrote this. Oops.)
I’m beyond caring if someone takes a superficial look and goes back. Years ago I felt compelled to try saying “hey you didn’t stick with it long enough, let me try to convince you that you’ll eventually see all the other ways its better” now I’m (apparently) the asshole who says, “If you want to use Linux, great, let me know if you need any help. If you want to go back to Windows, the door’s over there.”
The argument “If you want Linux to succeed” no longer holds any sway for me. Linux has succeeded. It doesn’t need every last person who doesn’t currently use it to start using it in order to continue succeeding. 10 years ago we’d never have believed Linux gaming would be where it is today. 15 years ago it was madness to think desktop Linux usage would be as commonly discussed and known as it is today. 16 (edit: 16, not 18) years ago I crossed the threshold where I no longer needed Windows, and a shitload of people have done the same since then. (And a pretty big chunk of people did it before me - when it was MUCH harder to do)
No one who values privacy or actual ownership of their OS and hardware, and doesn’t buy that they have to share control of it with Microsoft (or any entity), is going to stay with Windows for the long-haul, and MS makes that argument stronger and stronger every single year, while desktop Linux continues being refined and getting better and better. Not everyone shares those values, and that’s fine. Plenty do, and we live in a modern era that brings such issues to the forefront over and over again.
So when a random person says “this single game is what made me go back to Windows” I wish them all the best, but when members of the Linux community (or worse, folks who are not) tell me I should be kissing their ass, that pisses me off. (Not saying you are doing so - edit - you kinda are actually)
Popping into a Linux community to stick your tongue out and letting folks know you are going back to Windows? That’s no better than a troll.
This post is opening up a discussion on game compatibility on Linux. Switching back to Windows is just one point OP made, which you decided to focus on.
If you decide to view this as a troll, you should also condone the people who invade Windows-related Lemmy posts just to advocate for Linux.
If you decide to view this as a troll, you should also condone the people who invade Windows-related Lemmy posts just to advocate for Linux.
If someone makes a top level post about it, yes I would, for the same reasons.
If it’s a comment that flows naturally from conversation, I don’t see the problem. (in either case)
But I think you meant condemn, not condone.
Switching back to Windows is just one point OP made, which you decided to focus on.
It’s literally the only point they made. The rest is their justification for that point.
But I think you meant condemn, not condone.
You’re right, I used the wrong word.
It’s literally the only point they made. The rest is their justification for that point.
As a community we will achieve nothing if we dismiss these posts as “op said windows is better”. We should be looking into why they feel how they feel.
Suboptimal game compatibility on Linux is a point that should not be discounted. We know that Linux is mostly there already, but there’s still some amount to go.
I don’t feel the need to sell Linux to someone who isn’t interested or who has already decided they are going back to Windows.
OP didn’t ask for help. OP said “This one game doesn’t work for me, gaming on Linux is a pain in the ass, I’m going back to Windows.” (paraphrasing)
You are not going to convince me coddling those kinds of posts is beneficial to the community.
I’d use BSD or even (shudder) MacOS before I used Windows - and while not everyone needs to feel that way, I reject on its face the idea that the primary goal of the Linux community is to endlessly try to convince people who have decided to go back to Windows not to go back to windows.
I use Linux because I like Linux. I like to interact with people who like Linux. I love to help people who want to learn to like Linux.
If someone looks at the totality of awfulness that is Windows and MS (and i say that as someone who supports Windows on the sever and the desktop) and decides it’s worth it to go back because they want to play a specific game, that’s fine, but I feel no obligation to beg and cajole them to come back, and I bristle at the implication that I, or the community at large, should.
I’m also not going to pretend that a post saying they are doing so is in any way a contribution to the linux community. It’s not. At worst it’s a troll and thumb of the nose as they head out the door, and at best it’s unhelpful, and points the finger at Linux when that’s not where the finger belongs.
Did no one know this game didn’t work until OP posted about it? Did OP contact the DEV to let them know they should do things differently? Has our understanding of the state of gaming on Linux been enhanced in any way? No, probably not, and no.
I still believe OP has given us something to discuss here by pointing out the current state of game compatibility.
If you don’t, then I suppose there’s nothing for you to see here.
Every multiplayer game that doesn’t work is because of anticheat. I wish valve actually pushed developers to fix their anticheat and make linux gaming better.
EAC is already Linux compatible. It’s up to the developers to enable it. If you want to push them to do so, then stop supporting them.
Valve does, and they were instrumental in getting EAC support. But they can’t force them to do anything, they can merely bait them with Steam Deck and desktop users, and those stats are all available in their surveys.
If a dev asks Valve for help with Linux compat, I’m sure they’d help.
it doesn’t run on linux because of EAC
Nah, it doesn’t work because the developer doesn’t want it to. EAC works really well on Linux, the developer just has to enable it, which takes literally less than 10 seconds.
That’s mostly true, but they also need to support it, which is a completely different ball of wax which involves QA testing, training support people, etc, perhaps with some dev work to ensure the experience is decent. It’s extra work, and many devs don’t want to deal with it.
Sometimes no support is better than poor support from a business perspective.
All the developer needs to do is push a button to make EAC work. They’re probably busy hotfixing the 1.0 but I’m sure it’ll work soon, they are excluding all steam deck users by not pressing it
Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux https://www.protondb.com/app/2073850
The Finals use EAC and their own anti-cheat, the latter causes issues
thanks, edited to correct
Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux www.protondb.com/app/2073850
So it’s 100% the developer’s choices that have resulted in this train wreck of a thread.
*Linux is all good if you don’t play competitive multiplayer games where the developers don’t want to enable EAC for Linux.
There, fixed that for you.
Surprised that people even still play Nexon trash to be honest.Any game that you dont enjoy is trash, got it.
No. Nexon is a well known F2P trash publisher for decades now. Maybe stop your kneejerk reactions and try to see thinks more objectively.
Why is everyone always so stuck to one side or the other? Dual booting is a thing. You can have your cake and eat it too.
Just FYI, the expression makes more sense the other way around:
You can’t eat your cake and have it too.
And yeah, dual booting is absolutely a thing. That said, I find rebooting to play a game silly, so I just avoid stuff that doesn’t work on Linux. I can totally see the opposite perspective as well.
My linux usually boots very fast while Windows takes its sweet time, but still within 5m from power on to everything is up and warmed up.
So not something that stops me from rebooting to play a particular game
It’s not boot time, but context switching (close apps and whatnot). I suppose I could hibernate, but I still lose access to my network services, like my kids’ Minecraft server and network shares. And then Windows usually has massive updates because I launch it so rarely.
If I play on Linux, I just launch the game, and that’s it.
Before Steam came to Linux, I just didn’t play games very often. Now that most games work, I can just push play and I’m in a game, so I play a lot more games.
…how else would you go about eating it? Smashing your face into the whole cake?
The point is you can’t eat your cake and still have it afterward, because it has been eaten. So the more common version OP referenced makes no sense because you obviously need to have your cake before you’re able to eat it, so it’s unclear what you’re trying to say.
Can I have some cake?
Sure, here you go. You can go ahead and eat it, too. Go on. It’s chocolate.
*having cake and eating it, too.
Right, but then the cake is gone and you don’t have it anymore, you just have a plate with crumbs. That’s what the adage is trying to convey (you can’t have it both ways). Either you save your cake for later, or you eat it not, you can’t do both.
Bait post aside, I never really understood why people make a big deal of “switching” to Linux or back to Windows.
An OS install is like 60 GiB. If you’re a pro hacker gamer you probably have over a TiB of fast storage. Just keep the Windows install around and dual boot into it when/if you need it.
Pains me to see people saying “I permanently switched to Linux and deleted my Windows install”, when you can keep it around for emergencies or modding.
Yup.
I have only booted into my Windows install like 2-3 times in the past 5-10 years or so. But I still have it, it just lives on a separate SSD and I just forget it exists. I’ve only booted in to set up Minecraft Bedrock (kids wanted cross play, but their friends flaked), one time to run updates (was going to upgrade to Win 11, but it hated my processor; maybe my new one works), and to test a couple things in Windows. That’s it.
When Microsoft EOLs Win 10, I might go through the trouble of upgrading it again. I don’t see much value in it, but it costs me nothing to keep it around. I’m not even sure if it still works after I upgraded the CPU and GPU, but I guess I’ll find out the next time I try to boot it.
If i use both, that will give me less incentive to be on linux , because windows even though it is annoying with microsoft bloat, everything just works and i will stay there because life is easier.
So some random new game is enough for you to change your whole operating system?
I just kept Linux on my PC and bought an XBox because Windows isn’t good for much else.
I just don’t play games that don’t work on Linux. I use Linux for other reasons, gaming is just the cherry on top. I have 100 or so games on my wishlist and hundreds of unplayed games in my library that all work fine on Linux, so I’m not hurting for choice.
It’s why I keep a Windows disk in my PC. There are a couple of fun games and some programs I need that just refuse to support Linux
Funny thing is that the game would probably work close to perfect if the devs just switched on the linux support in EAC. Sadly, it’s just isn’t worth for the devs. Linux user pool is too small and those who would play would generate new bug reports due to unconventional setup running through a compatibility layer.
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Nah, it doesn’t work because the developer doesn’t want it to. EAC works really well on Linux, the developer just has to enable it, which takes literally less than 10 seconds.
All the developer needs to do is push a button to make EAC work. They’re probably busy hotfixing the 1.0 but I’m sure it’ll work soon, they are excluding all steam deck users by not pressing it
If it’s that easy, why isn’t there a mod or fix for people on Linux to do it themselves?
Precision guesswork here, but probably because it’s serverside.
I guess I didn’t even think about the possibility that the servers are also running on Windows. Who does that? Ew.
No… They meant that the way EAC works is configured from the game’s developper end. Just like how you can’t mod your equipment in MMOs because your data is being stored on the game’s server
It would be server-side.
Hack the server to add anti-hack. /s
Bypassing anticheat systems is possible, “hackers” do it all the time, but would result in a ban if caught.
