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    There’s an entire book dedicated to answering your question: The World Without Us.

    The Wikipedia article I linked summarizes a lot of the book, but I recommend reading it since the details are fascinating.

    TL;DR:

    The longest-lasting evidence on Earth of a human presence would be radioactive materials, ceramics, bronze statues, and Mount Rushmore. In space, the Pioneer plaques, the Voyager Golden Record, and radio waves would outlast the Earth itself.

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    Almost certainly, depending on the time scale. Physical constructs will eventually break down, but the impact on the environment in total will likely be able to be deduced for millions of years.

    For example, we already have a good record of the five previous mass extinction events, and can tie them directly to geological causes. On our current trajectory, a sixth wouldn’t necessarily tie well to any other factors other than the activity of a dominant species. This is one of many factors in the proposed geological epoch of the anthropocene.

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    I’ve heard that our nuclear impact will be seen for a very very long time from all the nuclear testing we did

    And plastics

    And our fertilizers

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      A sharp increase in Carbon-14 would be visible for a few thousand years.

      The rest of the elements released by nuclear testing? Not so much. Cs-137, and Sr-90 both have half lives of about 30 years. That means that after about 300 years, they’re both completely decayed into their daughter products.

      Now, Cs-137 decays into Ba-137, which is stable. It’s also naturally occurring as about 11% of all Barium.

      Sr-90 decays to Yt-90, spends a few days as such and then decays to Zr-90, another naturally occurring isotope. Zr-90 is a bit over 50% of all naturally occurring Zirconium.

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      You’re thinking on the scale of thousands of years, you need to think on the scale of millions

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    The stuff humans have left on the Moon and Mars would probably be good indicators.

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    I would guess that things like massive landfill dumps would be almost impossible to wipe all trace of. There’s no natural process that can collect that huge number of different chemical elements in such high amounts into a single location. So even if literally everything manmade has broken down to its consistent elements, the presence of a mile-wide radius plot of earth containing every solid element in the chart would be a clear indicator that an advanced civilization must have been there.

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    A very thin smear of exhaust fumes, long-chain hydrocarbons, and rare radioisotopes.

    Also a very clear mass extinction event.

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    Ironically, our best bet is probably our space junk. Leave as much of our stuff in space and on the moon as possible.

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      Most stuff in space would lose orbit pretty soon and fall in the Earth’s atmosphere, or into the sun (for James Webb)

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          But it will eventually. It just happens to be a large enough mass in a stable-ish orbit to last a long time. The same isn’t true of most of our space junk.

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            The moon is moving away from earth at a rate of about 1 inch per year. If the sun didn’t expand and consume us first, this would likely continue for the next 50 billion years, putting the moon at more than 3x it’s currentndistwncenf om earth.

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    The nuclear waste will be radioactive for thousands of years, it will probably be radioactive longer than our current recorded history as a whole. Think about that, ever since humans started recording our history, our nuclear waste will be radioactive longer than that.

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    There will be strangely distributed concentrations of various materials in any sediment layer from our period, such as iron, copper, aluminum, hydrocarbons, and various minerals. A lot of these will be in relatively small areas and also laid out in clearly artificial geometric patterns, especially in straight lines.

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      That layer will also include, worldwide, levels of radioisotopes that do not occur naturally. The same way that there is an Iridium layer on the soils of 65MYA showing the asteroids that killed the dinosaurs, the current sediments being laid down have traces of plutonium and other materials that will exist until the sun becomes a red giant and swallow the Earth.

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        Not to mention, the carbon dating of everything currently on the surface will have a stark difference from the carbon dating of everything currently below the surface, because nuclear power and weapons permanently offset it. They’ll be like “what a strange unexplained phenomenon…” and then after they figure out how to do it themselves they’ll think “OH. That’s how that happened. Huh.”

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    Yes, even in millions of years, traces of human civilization should still be easily detectable by a future civilization. The geological record will contain many elements that don’t occur naturally and would point to an industrial civilization. Some relics of human civilization will fossilize or otherwise be preserved. Finally, there will be well preserved human-made objects in space, either in high earth orbit or on the moon.

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    Fertilizer is what I’ve heard.

    Long after the weight of ages has ground our works and bones to scattered dust, the changes we’ve made to the nitrogen cycle will stick out in the geologic record.

    The jump from base levels of nitrogen to the obviously unnaturally higher amounts that would remain in layers from our time just wouldn’t have any explanation other than something did it on purpose. There’s basically no way for that level of increase to occur in what is geologically the blink of an eye without industrial capacity. Or that’s what I’ve heard.

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    I watched a special years ago about what would happen to our infrastructure, buildings, etc if humans just blinked out of existence. The show start off advancing time, touching on events as they might occur. The very last thing to withstand the test of time was Mount Rushmore, due to be carved from granite. Mount Rushmore would stick around for a very very very long time and would be the last trace of us. But that’s just that one TV show special’s opinion, but it sounds pretty…solid to me.

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      but it sounds pretty…solid to me.

      I see what you did there. I, for one, think it’s a rock solid pun that most will take for granite.

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      I wonder if Mt. Rushmore would be obvious if you’ve never seen a primate. If a super alien species is investigating, I can imagine them not realizing that it was designed by sapient life.

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        I’d think that any alien species advanced enough to travel the stars would see a row of consistent shapes etched into the rock and realize it couldn’t be nature. Maybe one face like rock sure, but 4 faces etched would be too big a coincidence and I think aliens would pick up on that. Now they wouldn’t be able to tell much about us as a species other then we could work rock pretty well. They’d have no idea of what our bodies look like, or that the hair carved into the stone were soft strains of protein instead of a hard helmet like carapace. But I think they’d get intelligent life created the carvings on Mount Rushmore.