• szczuroarturo@programming.dev
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    8 months ago

    That’s not true. There is a wise spending. Or to be more correct there is a foolish spending. Gambling your money away for example is f* stupid.

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      8 months ago

      The point is that the government really shouldn’t have any say in which is which. I agree with you that gambling all your money away is a poor financial choice, but that doesn’t mean that I think we should ban gambling, because many people enjoy it responsibly. Teaching people financial literacy, and treating addictions is the solution, not policing how people use their UBI.

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        8 months ago

        but that doesn’t mean that I think we should ban gambling, because many people enjoy it responsibly

        More like because it’s an adult human’s right to be free. That is the point. Responsibly, irresponsibly, these are secondary concepts.

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        8 months ago

        If it’s government given money, that’s somebody’s tax dollars and the government absolutely should have a say, because the people giving that money should have a say.

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          If it’s government given money, that’s somebody’s tax dollars and the government absolutely should have a say,

          The issue is it costs money for the Government to have a say and 99% of the time it’s not needed.

          If you just get rid of the Government overhead to make sure people are “spending it wisely,” the money lost by the 1% who spend it foolishly will be far less than the money saved by getting rid of all the administration.

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          8 months ago

          Nope. The nature of money is that when you transfer it to someone else’s, it is now their money. It’s no longer your money. It’s their money.

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            8 months ago

            No that’s not how it works. It is extremely common for government issued money to come with stipulations on how it can be spent.

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          8 months ago

          Why attack the people for their spending on vices when you could just outlaw the vices. If you care so much about people’s morals, then the government should just outlaw alcohol, gambling and anything else deemed an ill use of this money. It’s the exact same thing, except you only want the government to police people who you think don’t deserve freedom because you consider them lesser.

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            8 months ago

            When you take someone else’s money, you should have a good reason for doing so. Money is an exchange of labor, straight up. You’re not entitled to anyone else’s labor without qualification.

            Social benefit programs are just that, programs for the social benefit.

            People are allowed to have vices, but irresponsibly spending other people’s money is not okay, just like breaking/trashing other people’s stuff (and thus spending their time and money) is not okay.

            This is a basic part of the social contract.