• the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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    “states where boycotting Israel is illegal” is a sensationalist lie. The article says what these laws actually do

    have passed legislation making it illegal for state agencies to work with companies that boycott Israel

    So it’s all about contracts. That’s still bad but it’s nowhere near as bad as the headlines implies. A law making it illegal to boycott Israel would be laughably unconstitutional.

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      I think laughably unconstitutional seems to be what the scotus is on track to say is perfectly ok, so I think it’s the constitution that is laughable at this point.

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          That’s just it, they can be struck down by lower courts and still make it to the Supreme Court with sufficient funding. And then the Supreme Court can just be like, “Nope, we’re cool with shitting on the Constitution.”

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      you are right, if PayPal, Stripe and MasterCard did the same thing, the effects would be way worse!

      older draft

      I interpenetrated the bill to mean, “if an organization (doesn’t matter what it is, waste management, orphanage, tax collector, money pit, whatever…) endorses the BDS political policy in any way, (say, a banner on their website) they will be cut off from government money”. I assume your company can be as pro-Israel as you want it to be. If I’m wrong, let me know.

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        I’d like to share a revelation I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to another area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

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          I don’t know. Can you really classify us as just a virus or cancer? Aren’t they known for only destruction and sadness?

          What about all the joy, happyness, and good we’ve broight to the universe. Sure, it may not be as prevalent but there’s small good deeds happening all around. Not just random people helping other random people, but beautiful pieces of art, songs that millions sing, books people remember and talk about, video games that bring far apart friends closser together, sports, dancing, DnD, pets, flower gardens, the list goes on.

          Yes we consume too much, but we’re no ALL bad. Parasites perhaps, but not full blown viruses IMHO

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    have passed legislation making it illegal for state agencies to work with companies that boycott Israel

    How deep is israel in US’ ass exactly?

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      “What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy”

      Zack de la Rocha

      (That’s the part you meant, right?)

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    How do you make enforce deciding not to buy from somewhere illegal?

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      It’s a free speech matter. You are allowed to not buy stuff, you aren’t allowed to say you aren’t buying stuff because of a boycott.

      Edit: just to be clear, I’m not defending the policy, I’m just explaining how it works, which is also, probably, the best way to fight it.

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        That is not how it works. Boycotting Israel will prevent your company from getting state contracts.

        have passed legislation making it illegal for state agencies to work with companies that boycott Israel

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          have passed legislation that allows the government to penalize citizens for Constitutionally protected free speech, something it is not allowed to do

          Fixed it.

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          If people don’t speak up what’s the difference between a boycott and other business considerations?

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            The point is that the boycott law applies to businesses, not individual citizens. You won’t be charged for boycotting as an individual or posting your boycott recommendations for others to see.

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              You won’t get charged as a business either, you’ll just be ineligible for state contacts. It’s really weird that the headline considers that “illegal”

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        Companies and business owners have a right to free speech. These laws deliberately penalize free speech. Ergo, these laws are wildly and brazenly Unconstitutional.

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          These laws restrict government agencies, not businesses. The Constitution does not include an implicit right to be hired as a state contractor.

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            Hired or not based on merits… or more likely, the lowest bid and nothing else. By automatically and systemically excluding anyone based on exercise of their free speech, the government is behaving in a punitive manner towards citizens based on speech, which is a violation of their First Amendment rights.

            This is very simple. If you still don’t get it, think of it this way… citizens may discriminate against one another based on actions, behaviors, or words… that is freedom of association… but the government may never, ever do this. If government agents just happened to never use boycotters, that could be hand-waved (unless they slipped up and admitted they do it)… but by enshrining it in law, they violate the First Amendment rights of any person or business that is (or could be) exempted/penalized in such a way.

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      Don’t buy exports from that country. Don’t visit that country. Pressure local businesses to not export there. Etc.