Apparently, the Linux boot is slow, but the 'possibilities are endless.'

Ersei, the developer behind this so-called Cloud Native Computer, says the project was primarily a “silly” pursuit. There is also a problem with booting from Google Drive currently being very slow. However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.

  • jfx@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    1651·
    4 months ago

    Soo, booting your computer from someone else’s computer?

    I mean we’ve had thin clients and PXE for ages?

    • mox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      571·
      4 months ago

      And bootp before that, and tftp before that. So I think roughly… 35 years?

    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2312·
      4 months ago

      More being able to use cloud storage and not need a full physical secondary computer. In theory the cloud can be accessed anywhere, even if a portion is down, not the same for a single physical PC.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
        191·
        4 months ago

        More being able to use cloud storage and not need a physical computer.

        Are you going to access The Cloud telepathically?

        • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
          28·
          4 months ago

          The cloud is many computers with a redundancy, you putting multiple PCs in remote locations so you can access when one goes down….?

          One requires two physical computers, while one requires one and the cloud. Not a hard concept here or anything people.

          • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
            121·
            4 months ago

            The joke is about what exactly you’re doing with the cloud with no physical computer in front of you.

            • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
              29·
              4 months ago

              Okay so you should comprehend how multiple “computers” allow a redundancy over a single one.

              Yeah….?

              You can’t access a remote physical computer without internet either? So what’s your point here?

                • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  18·
                  4 months ago

                  I do, clearly you don’t if you need to ask the question.

                  So what are you doing here exactly? You’re not adding to the discussion, so that would make you a troll, no?

    • GamingChairModel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      4 months ago

      Do thin clients and PXE require a server specifically configured to serve a boot image? (Genuinely asking.)

      I’m not sure whether this project is doing something new by just accessing network resources that are nothing more than shared files, without any specific software running on the server (beyond just a server serving files).

      • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
        121·
        4 months ago

        Yes, they do. The novel thing here is serving the files out of Google Drive.

        There are existing PXE servers that run over the Internet, like boot.netboot.xyz, so that you don’t have to run your own (assuming you trust everyone involved in that connection). Those are far more practical.

  • seaQueue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1222·
    4 months ago

    So it’s a thin client remote booting extremely slowly over a really high latency connection. Cool, the 1980s called and they want their tech back.

    • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
      841·
      4 months ago

      However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.

      “We’re looking for dumb investors that don’t understand technology so we can sell them a bridge.”

      • seaQueue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        561·
        4 months ago

        Bro forgot to liberally sprinkle blockchain and AI dust on his project before offering it to investors

        • Plopp@lemmy.worldEnglish
          20·
          4 months ago

          It’s basically booting and running the OS from inside the AI in the cloud!! The system doesn’t “use” blockchain, it’s made of blockchain! Every file is an NFT by default which provides a built in system for profit for everything you do on the computer!

    • sugartits@lemmy.worldEnglish
      601·
      4 months ago

      Put a swap file on that bad boy boy and they’ve invented downloading ram!

      This is a revolution.

    • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      291·
      4 months ago

      This is different (and far less practical than Apple’s approach). This one doesn’t download the OS and store it, it pulls the files from Google drive every time they’re accessed, so it’s incredibly slow by comparison, but is technically running from the cloud. The Apple one downloads everything it needs and stores it, then pulls from that local copy.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        81·
        4 months ago

        So it’s like PXE booting without a permanent local disk. If you have enough RAM, that’s probably fine.

        Or is it only downloading the kernel and loading literally everything else over the net with no RAM cache? If so, that’s terrifying.

        • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          4 months ago

          I’d argue it’s a bit worse than PXE booting, since they talk about having the actual bootloader on a USB stick, whereas the same thing could have been done by having the boot process remote too.

        • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          Yeah I believe it’s loading everything over the net. I haven’t looked super closely into it. I’m not sure what, if any, practical applications there are for this. Seems like it’s just a fun impractical project. I’m here for it. But you’re right about it being terrifying lol.

        • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          22·
          4 months ago

          I was also adding to the discussion. You commented something it reminded you of, I commented the difference between the two. This may be an important point for those who are not familiar with either of these technologies.

        • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          4 months ago

          Yeah apparently adding to the discussion is frowned upon here, my comment chain got derailed by a “joke” because I tried to differentiate between the cloud and a PC to have a discussion….

    • Kairos@lemmy.todayEnglish
      33·
      4 months ago

      That’s not booting from the net that’s downloading an image and keeping it in RAM without sending any changed data back to the cloud, or needing to fetch anything once the image is downloaded.

  • regrub@lemmy.worldEnglish
    332·
    4 months ago

    Interesting experiment, but I’d rather have a personal machine that isnt completely useless when/if the internet goes out. Also would be nice not to depend on a centralized service that could easily revoke access.

    Seems like it’s better suited for company work computers.

  • FelipeFelop@discuss.onlineEnglish
    182·
    4 months ago

    I can see two issues here:

    It’s not really a storageless computer. It’s using EFI as storage to build the ramdisk.

    What happens if you need to change things because of a change of cloud account, change of cloud API etc etc

    • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
      151·
      4 months ago

      No computer is ever really storageless. Even the BIOS has to be stored somewhere. If you didn’t have any storage, you wouldn’t be able to load any code, and it would not be a computer, it would be a brick.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        42·
        4 months ago

        Not necessarily, you could build all of the boot stuff into hardware, have it send all input to the cloud server, and only have enough hardware to render images. Boom, no storage, everything is static.

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          8·
          4 months ago

          Where is that boot code kept? Is that not storage? I mean, even magnetic core memory is storage. An array of vacuum tubes is storage. If you wired up a bunch of transistors to perform mathematic operations, do the wires and transistors on the breadboard count as storage? Maybe not. If you did it on an FPGA, I would say yes, though.

          This is all semantics, of course, but it’s interesting to think about nonetheless. Ask a web developer and a BIOS ROM developer about what’s programmable, and you’ll get two very different answers. :P

      • Glowstick@lemmy.worldEnglish
        181·
        4 months ago

        Yeah, but it then goes on saying

        “However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.”

        And that’s what I’m saying “y tho” to.

        • deranger@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          4 months ago

          I mean, shit. If I did something stupid for fun and some idiot business major wants to pay me for an implementation, regardless of how useful It actually is, I’m not turning it down.

    • Venator@lemmy.nzEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      Probably a bit more expensive though, depending how much storage you need.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      4 months ago

      I set up a PXE image for the Arch installer and scripted the whole installation. The idea was to switch the boot order and have it auto-reimage, such as for a IOT device deploy.

      Once I built it, I never used it again. But it was a fun afternoon.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          Maybe in larger orgs. I’m guessing it’s also used in public computers like in city and university libraries, as well as quick imaging of corporate computers at larger companies.

          • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            4 months ago

            Yup. At work, we have a contractual requirement to replace certain PCs within a certain time frame. (Don’t ask, it’s stupid.) And we’ve got a lot of them. So we’ve got the Windows imaging process scripted to be very low-touch. (It also makes it much easier when someone leaves or has a really fucked up PC. Give them a new one, restore their data, reimage the old.)

  • argh_another_username@lemmy.caEnglish
    2·
    4 months ago

    One of my duties in my first job was to build diskless computers. I’d record an EPROM in the station and boot from a Novell server.