This is good for protecting against hateful randos, but wonāt do any good if the government comes for you. Unless the goal is just to take some of them down with you.
When the government came for him, having a gun sure didnāt help.
Unless the goal is just to take some of them down with you.
Better to drag some of them into the grave along with you swiftly than waste away in a concentration camp. Maybe if enough of the fuckers get shot theyāll stop volunteering for the job of going house to house and abducting Trumpās undesirables.
Yeah, itās a valid goal.
The point of an armed populace isnāt to take on the military. Itās to make every citizen a potential threat to those in power. The more you piss off the population, the greater the danger of some rando slipping through the cracks.
We just saw how much one random dude with a gun can scare the shit out of corporate America by killing an insurance executive that nonlbody had even heard of. Imagine what a million Luigis could do.
Luigi was a different matter, as he was attacking, not defending. But I sure wouldnāt mind if others decided that the ultra wealthy need to learn some more lessons in humility.
It does make sense to get a gun over there. Shit is getting interesting.
Iām all for it. If you truly want home defense: shotgun. I like all firearms in the hands of liberals though. Why shouldnāt we have them? The right does.
While I concede that shotgun is the right tool for the job in some cases, I definitely argue itās not the end all be all and not appropriate in others.
If you live in a rural area or otherwise have a spacious home where a loaded shotgun can safely be stored in your bedroom or otherwise accessible in a moments notice without it being a massive safety hazard, then yes shotgun might be right for you.
For basically everyone else, a simple handgun is more than sufficient for home defense needs and can be kept safely where it can be retrieved while sleeping or other event where you believe an would be home invader is trying to enter your home or already has.
The real important part here is that if you are going to get a firearm for home defense, get trained how to use it. Many shooting ranges will have classes or put you in contact with an instructor who can show you how to operate the firearm, safely load and unload it, and good technique to use while handling it. And equally important, you are going to want range time with that firearm, not just to know how to shoot it, but ensure yourself it does work, what to do if it malfunctions, and hopefully improve your skill so you can hit what you are aiming at and avoid anything you arenāt aiming at.
Honestly shotgun for home defense is not necessarily good advice for many people, racking it to scare people away is terrible advice too, donāt give away your location and give up the element of surprise. If they know people are in the house they are invading, assume lethal force is already on the table and donāt give them a chance to point and shoot, even if it doesnāt hit you it could hit a bystander. Shotguns with buckshot are very heavy recoiling and have serious risk of sending stray pellets through walls and potentially other people, you need to take ownership of the potential of every shot to end a life and a shotgun shoots 9 shots at once in a cone, itās not aiming easy mode unless you live alone in a house with nothing around it and even then the spread isnāt enough that you donāt have to aim decently.
Itās the only way to get any gun control legislation. Why would the right ban guns when only they have them? The more liberal, queer, and black/brown people have guns the more willing repubs will be to take them.
Facts, the most sensible gun legislation in this countryās history came after the Black Panthers formed.
Why a shotgun? Easier to hit Iām assuming, but also more collateral damage
Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, and a shotgun will take a chunk off a persons body and spread it over the wall
Easier to hit with when adrenaline is pumping. Iāve never had to nor hopefully will, but itās what Iāve read. Makes perfect sense. Plus anything too powerful would go through walls when you inevitably miss.
Hard to miss at the distance an intruder in your home would be with buckshot unless you live at buckingham palace. But also will very much go through drywall especially close range
Racking a shotgun will also scare most aggressors. Itās also simply much more visible to a home intruder. Youāre more likely not to even need to fire one compared to a hand gun.
Paul Harrell (RIP Paul) pretty well debunked this, anyone who would be afraid of the shell being loaded would equally be afraid of a weapon being pointed at them, and racking the shell gives them time to react if they truly have hostile intent to warrant a shotgun being pointed at them.
The point is to telegraph that you have a gun to a home intruder before they get in eye sight. If the intruder doesnāt hear it, then the home owner is in the same position as they would be if they hadnāt bothered.
You could make the argument that handguns arenāt enough and people need plates and rifles just to ensure their right to protest.
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4ASA4ās4sas4ās that never made it to Ukraine had some bad buzz over a miscommunication issue, but as long as you donāt fall down on them theyāre insanely cheap level 4 plates and while thereās a shit ton now, they wonāt be around forever.Do I think Iāll be shot wearing it?
Absolutely not, and honestly it would be a slim chance a shot hits the plate instead of of anywhere else.
But cops are cowards and bullies, theyāre not going to immediately turn to violence when theyāre outnumbered and out gunned.
Itās sucks, but this is America. Itās not enough to be strapped anymore.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xly5d5nQbfc
Thatās a guy testing them specifically and explaining the issues.
But those (really just one) issues are why theyāre $99 instead of $250 a plate.
And like I said, realistically youāre not getting shot while wearing it. Iām specifically just talking about the visual deterrent for things like protesting so cops arenāt as likely to immediately start copping at a protest.
And something tells me there are going to be a lot of protests coming.
You donāt have to buy it right now because thereās a sale it will likely be months/years till they run out of these. Some company made literal tons of them and a government contract fell thru.
I donāt know too much about these. How much do they run?
It varies based on features. Never buy armor that isnāt NIJ compliant, first and foremost. After that, plate curvature and weight reduction are the two primary factors that will drive up cost. Iām currently seeing $160 from RMA Armament, but thatās for level 4 flat plates that are 8.3lbs each. So, uncomfortable and heavy. For level 4 multi curve lightweight plates from the same maker, about $250 each.
But, I cringe a little when people recommend rifle plates. I own a set. They are miserable to run around in. They will slow you down dramatically when in most cases mobility and shooting fundamentals will likely decide the outcome of a fight. And even if your use case calls for them, thereās a lot to learn about proper plate carrier setup, that will take you a long while of YouTube deep dives to figure out how to develop a proper fighting kit.
Also, it doesnāt hurt to be 18-24 and positively fucking jacked, because thatās who plates are made for, soldiers, and if youāre round and out of shape and canāt run more than 20 yards at a time, youāve got bigger fish to fry than body armor.
about $250 each.
The 4asa4ās are older standard made for Ukraine but ovreproduced.
Theyāre 99/plate at a couple places now, which is ridiculous. Itās been like that for about 2 months, and probably will be for a while. But eventually theyāll run out.
The issue is the old standard doesnāt have ādrop testingā and these wonāt withstand a drop, theyāll crack.
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And I know theyāre cringe.
But you canāt deny police treat a protest differently when the other side has people in vests and rifles.
Thatās the only reason Iām recommending it.
But yeah, 20lbs doesnāt sound like a lot till youāre carrying it around all day. But wearing it out to a protest for 6 hours is a good way to get in shape.
Iāve been thinking about getting plates and Iām not going to due to price.
Please keep in mind this is from someone who has never owned plates or a plate carrier or any kind of armor, but if a plate canāt survive a fall, what happens when you need to get down prone fast, potentially into rocks? Are they going to crack?
what happens when you need to get down prone fast, potentially into rocks? Are they going to crack?
Yep, level 4 plates arenāt metal, theyāre ceramic. Itās a different kind of ātoughnessā basically the faster and more concentrated the impact, the better ceramic does. Like the alien energy shield in Stargate basically.
20 years ago they were incredibly fragile and would crack just looking at them.
These are ālast generationā and greatly improved, but if youāre wearing it and just fall straight forward theyāll crack.
The newest you can do that twice, everā¦
So the price jumps from $99 to $250. Thatās $75 for each time you faceplant but infinite falls for both if you put an arm out to catch yourself.
Metal plates obviously you can face plate as much as you want, they just arenāt as good at stopping bullets and can result in āsprawlingā where the bullet and steel from your plate get you in the arm/face.
Nothing is perfect.
can result in āsprawlingā where the bullet and steel from your plate get you in the arm/face.
Isnāt that āspallingā?
No criticism here just want to get the terms right. I know if a vehicle gets hit and parts of it become shrapnel then itās called spalling. Or even if a little bullet hits something and breaks up, thatās spalling. Please correct me if Iām wrong.
But yeah I donāt mean faceplanting, I mean like you got down on some rocks quick then crawled forward. That would make the ceramic ineffectual? I would never buy metal armor. Itās too heavy and from what Iāve read, doesnāt work. Iām not looking to protect myself from some guy with a 9, Iām thinking about SHTF scenarios.
Yeah, not sure if I got autocorrected or had a brain fart, but itās 100% spalling.
I mean like you got down on some rocks quick then crawled forward. That would make the ceramic ineffectual?
I mean, there is heft to them, theyāre still ~8lbs each. Which is think is about what metal is.
What some people do is buy a ātrauma padā which is very skinny foam meant to be worn on the inside to absorb the shock, and theyāll put it on the outside side. Like, in the vest, but pad-plate-body instead of plate-pad-body.
If you havenāt watched the video I linked up above, itās worth it. Heās pretty scientific and goes over a lot of general stuff.
But just some stuff bumping against it isnāt a big deal, these are designed for the military and worn in actual war for like over a decade at this standard. Just look at the stuff they do in plates for training, theyāre not gentle.
But honestly the point of a plate is to stop bullets that would kill you immediately, because thereās an expectation medical aid is nearby. Without an emergency room a gut shot will kill you just as well as a lung shit, itāll just be 8-12 hours of absolute misery assuming you donāt bleed out in the next hour.
So if society full on collapses, plates make less sense.
I donāt think body armor is cringe, I just cringe at the thought of having to wear it, and starting someone down the rabbit hole of battle rattle full kit larping.
I couldnāt read that without thinking of Shrine of the Mall Ninja
And training.
Your fancy rifle and thousands of rounds arenāt going to mean shit the first time you actually see combat if you havenāt practiced.
I donāt know if you read my comment or immediately forgotā¦
Like, half my comment is in response to what you just said, to respond to you Iād just be copying/pasting whatās already there.
Good
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Moar guns will solve the problem!
