Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.
When the author asked about this:
As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.
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user4616250 will now be a famous meme. “How do we fix healthcare? We call user4616250.”
Do not forget me user4616250
Look down, look down You’ll always be a slave Look down, look down You’re standing in your grave
"He knew that man was me. Without a second glance! That Micky Ds employee spotted me. The crime stoppers bounty is his chance!
Why should I try to hide? Why should I go unkown. When I have come so far. And struggled for so long?
If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, they have won!
I am the ceo slayer that got away. They all are looking at me. How can I abandon them? How would they live. If I am not free?
If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, I am damned!
Who am I? Should not this wage slave benefit. Pretend I do not feel his agony. This innocent who can be set free.
Who else should face their judgment. Who am I? Can I conceal myself for evermore? Pretend I am the man I was before? And hide my crime until I die.
Be no more than an alibi? Must I lie?
How can I ever face my fellow men? How can I ever face myself again? My fate belongs to capitlism, I know. I made that bargain long ago. I gave them hope when hope was gone. I gave them strength to journey on.
[He appears in front of the court]
Who am I? Who am I? I’m Luigi!
[He unbuttons his shirt to reveal the scares of a botched surgery]
And so UHC, you see it’s true. This man bears no more guilt than you! Who am I?
user4616250!"
Anytime a CEO does something questionable; “/ping user4616250”
A musician needs to write a catchy tune to put the name to so people will remember the numbers.
♪ 0118 999 88199 9119 725 …3
Oh this takes me back! Thanks for the laugh you triggered :)
0118 999 881 999 119 725… 3
“calling user 461-62-50, he’s our dude, what he does is nifty!” :)
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I believe in you. If it isn’t the new 867-5309, hopefully it will at least be the next 6060-842.
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Luigi, when the CEO fell.
Get Vikas Music, he’s based enough to put it to eurobeat.
I suggest these guys
Nice and catchy, but it needs to be catchy with more digits. Tommy “Tutone” Heath is still alive. I’m just saying.
Moat famous number since 24601
It’s like squid game where they identify you by a number. Long live user4616250
Please let it be, haha
Headquarters seems to be:
70 White Lion Street, London, England, N1 9PP
To send all your angry letters too.
Make sure to include bullet points
Bullet points work best when using a 9mm font size.
(Approximately 25.5 pt. Now, the closest traditionally named font size is 24pt, called “double pica”, and Pica Pica is the latin name for the magpie, who is known for stealing and hoarding shiny things. What does this mean??)
Settle down, Charlie Day.
Someone’s been reading up since they recently became literate. Thanks Abbott!
PowerPoint is seldom used in the Mafia because of all the bullet points.
Gottem
Marked as triplicate
I used to live in that neighborhood. That must just be one of those places that gives people an address that looks fancy methinks
It’s a place called “Spaces” seems like companies rent a small room or so as a physical presence.
Definitely not any kind of HQ. I’d be surprised if more than one or two people go there for Stack Exchange. Mostly remote employees?
Stack Overflow has been toxic for a long time already. It’s one of the things that a lot of people seem pleased to see AI devour.
I’ve read it is still well valued because people will keep asking questions there when LLM can’t answer, so they remain a precious source of post LLM curated Q&A.
…for now.
Yeah, AI has become good enough at this point that you can provide it with a large blob of context material - such as API documentation, source code, etc. - and then have it come up with its own questions and answers about it to create a corpus of “synthetic data” to train on. And you can fine-tune the synthetic data to fit the format and style that you want, such as telling it not to be snarky or passive-aggressive or whatever.
It can reproduce an api. Can’t solve actual problems. LLMs are completely incapable of innovation.
That’s not really true though… They come up with brand new sentences all the time.
No, they can only take from things in their models.
Moreover, all of them use statistics, typically Bayesian, to get the results. What you get from an LLM is essentially an average* of the model data. This is why feeding LLM output into a model is so toxic, it’s already the average.
- Yes I know it’s not really the average, but for laymen us good enough comparison.
They only take from the statistical distributions of words in the context of preceding words (which is why they never say “the the” etc, why the grammar is nearly always correct). But that doesn’t mean that whole sentences are lifted from the source material. There are near infinite paths through those word distributions, and many have never been produced by humans, so LLMs do produce sentences that have never been uttered before.
They couldn’t produce new conceptual context spaces in the way that humans can sometimes, but they can produce new combinations within existing context spaces.
And yet the synthetic training data works, and models trained on it continue scoring higher on the benchmarks than ones trained on raw Internet data. Claim what you want about it, the results speak louder.
The results aren’t worth the expense. So-called “AI” is the biggest bubble since the great recession.
Nah, I’m still giving that one to the blockchain. LLMs are going to be useful for a while, but Ethereum still hasn’t figured out a real use, and they’re the only ones that haven’t given up and moved fully into coin gambling.
This is the peak, though. They require new data to get better but most of the available new data is adulterated with AI slop. Once they start eating themselves it’s over.
You are speaking of “model collapse”, I take it? That doesn’t happen in the real world with properly generated and curated synthetic data. Model collapse has only been demonstrated in highly artificial circumstances where many generations of model were “bred” exclusively on the outputs of previous generations, without the sort of curation and blend of additional new data that real-world models are trained with.
There is no sign that we are at “the peak” of AI development yet.
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To be honest, I had a bad experience a few years ago when I wanted to try contributing, and I never tried again. Yet, I think it’s really hard to strike a balance of freedom and constrains for organically curated Q&A, so I try not to be too fast on judging them considering the service that they indubitably provided to millions of people.
I haven’t really had an issue with SA toxicity.
Time to boycott the platform!
What can Stack Overflow’s motivation possibly be to strip Luigi’s account? Are their private equity owners in cahoots with health insurance executives?
A connection I may be inventing comes to mind: all the CEOs making million dollar donations to the new administration in the US.
Basically, show you’re on the side of “law and order” and hope you’re not caught up in any purges.
Preemptive compliance.
In tejas we call that bootlicking
In Netherland we call that “kontkussen” which both means “butt kissing” as a verb and “butt pillow” as a noun.
Kiss the ring.
It’s pretty standard when a highly-publicized murder suspect’s online profiles are discovered. Platform admins will typically disable/hide their accounts from the public while investigations/trials are ongoing. This is hardly unique to Luigi.
Do you have other examples? Because the article gave an example of a similar account that was not anonynized like this. Sure, accounts are often taken down, but the content isn’t left up.
How would this apply to the fediverse
It would depend on the software in use, but i think the instance admin could probably delete the account. About renaming… maybe, fiddling with the database. Again, depends on the software (and admin).
It probably wouldn’t, because it’s unlikely anyone is going to do the work, especially since there are a lot of jurisdictions involved. That’s a lot of work for a relatively small userbase.
I’m starring this cause I want to look into this myself, and if I find any technical sources that address this claim and actually detail this as a SOP, I’ll reply with that source later, or otherwise reply with “I didn’t find anything.”
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Source: your ass
maybe its poisoning the ai training
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They’re scared of Luigi still, got it
That’s not what the article is about. Stack Overflow has kept content that Luigi created up, but removed his username, in violation of Creative Commons. Edited the post to make that more clear.
If they weren’t afraid of what he represents they wouldn’t have removed his name.
Yeah exactly. And they’re not allowed to under the Creative Commons licence
…and yet…
Which is exactly the reason we are in a post discussing it.
Yup, it would be interesting to see this tried in court.
May I suggest a European one?
This is the equivalent of a bank robber standing in a vault, filling his bag full of jewels. One of the hostages yelling “You can’t do this, it’s illegal.” Some other guy yells “…and yet…” minutes before police sirens can be heard outside.
I look forward to Mangiine catching wind of this, which is basically theft, and adding it to the laundry list of things to be tried in court.
Indeed, I wonder if we’ll start seeing reforms before or after a copycat strikes.
I doubt before. They’re still hoping they can erase or villainize him. I expect the news media will ignore his trial in favor of whatever antics Trump or Musk are up to, and we won’t hear much about him until there’s a guilty verdict they can parade before the masses in order to dissuade them from copying him. If he does get mentioned, they’ll be trying to frame him in as negative a light as possible and downplay his motives. I also expect the big social media will censor discussion under the guise of not promoting violence, or simply shadow ban any mention of him.
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No, they’re terrified of us now, they know we tasted blood and are hungry for more.
I know I am. I’m so sick of this system they’ve created and perpetuated for decades/centuries. I just want to live my fucking life without worrying about basic needs, or how someone with most can take even more from those who have little. Americans have more guns per capita than almost anywhere else. Those are guns in the hands of the people, not mercs or armies or private security. They should be afraid of us. They should be checking their car’s undercarriage daily before getting in. They should vary their routes daily to avoid patterns. They should see every person on the street as a potential assassin. Only THEN, will anything about these parasites’ attitudes change.
Unfortunately, so many with the skills to engage in revolution are aligned with the interests of these corporate leeches, and thus are fighting the masses, instead of standing with them. They wanted a Civil War #2, it’s time to kick up, not down!
Most gun owners are biggest bootlickers out there… They didn’t get weapons to fight corporate tyranny, they got them to shoot poor people they don’t like
Actually, they got them to shoot gun-wielding home invaders who threaten (if not attempt to murder) their family members.
Fucking terrified. I’ve never seen corpos circle their wagons like this before. It’s hilarious.
By this logic, everyone charged (not convicted, just charged) should have their accounts and submissions changed in the same manner as Luigi’s.
Man I sure wish this’d mean all Trump-generated content and speeches got deleted. That’d be genuinely helpful to the world at least…
Didn’t he confess though? That’s quite a bit different than a pending trial.
The presumption or admission of guilt does not and should not justify violating the Creative Commons License, nor perpetrating any illegal behavior agains any individual(s).
If JK Rowling went out and robbed a bank, or murdered an ex-Husband, in no world or timeline would that give a member of her publishing company the right to scratch out her name from any of her books and replace it with their own or someone else’s.
should not justify violating the Creative Commons License
Absolutely. Even a guilty verdict shouldn’t justify violating the Creative Commons License. It should either be completely taken down/hidden, or left in-tact.
That’s not at all what I’m saying though though, I’m saying that it’s reasonable for the site to take action to hide the account. He’s a public figure with an apparent confession, which is going to attract a lot of attention to that account that otherwise wouldn’t be there. They shouldn’t have done it this way since it violates the Creative Commons License, but I am saying that action to hide/disable the account is warranted.
So far, all I’ve found is a 2018 publication by the Police Executive Research Forum, entitled “The Changing Nature of Crime And Criminal Investigations”. It’s a 67 page document, and I’m curious to see if it discusses how their investigation tactics may have changed, and if so, whether the aforementioned tactic is mentioned as being included.
I didn’t find anything. But I also work 40 plus hours a week, so that doesn’t necessarily mean there’s not something out there. But it’s more likely the case that this might not be true, from what I know.
Another comment way down claims it’s standard operating procedure for social media sites to disable/hide and account of a highly publicized murderer, particularly during investigations. However, the provided no examples nor sources or technical documents that detail this as something that is genuinely done as a standard procedure.
I’m kinda gonna do my own research on that, but I feel the validity of Stack’s actions would to some degree depend on the results of researching that claim, and whether or not that is true.
It’s kinda difficult to research something like that though when most highly publicized murders predated social media in its current form, so it would be hard to have a lot of examples despite there being a decent number of people who fit the bill, ironically.
Pled not guilty. No he did not.
Pretty much everyone pleads not guilty, especially in a politically motivated murder charge (there’s always a chance of a hung jury or jury nullification). That said, his manifesto could be considered a form of confession and will certainly be used as evidence to that effect.
He pled not guilty, it really is that simple.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I never said he was guilty, I said he confessed. A plead of “not guilty” doesn’t necessarily mean you think you’re innocent (i.e. you perjure yourself; the 5th amendment protects against that), it just means you want to go through a trial. You can confess and still choose to go through trial proceedings.
To add, plenty of innocent people give false confessions of guilt. It’s a known pattern in human behavior especially under stress and duress.
I have no information to say whether this case is an example of that one way or the other, but just putting that out there.
I’m just saying that there’s probably enough evidence that it’s reasonable for a social media site to pull/hide his profile despite not being sentenced. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn’t mean his profiles are immune from vandalism and whatnot.
I was not aware he confessed and can’t find anything saying he did. Do you have a source confirming he’s confessed?
It’s more his manifesto, which has a clear motive.
Apropos of nothing, this was an article about substance from a year ago:
Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis
Fuck substack.
Shit, this article is about stack overflow, not substack. Too early, but still fuck substack.
It’s about SO but on SS so you were still right!
That’s fucking bullshit.
Censorship needs to die.
platforms like this are essentially private ownership of the commons
“Cancel culture” as a term has been abused, but this one… damn this is really cancel culture.
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As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question.
Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.
Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.
WOAH WOAH WOAH… hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you’re not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law… we’ll be keeping a close eye on you… --BB
I managed to convince my brother in law by using the wrongful death case of Kanokporn Tangsuan as an example. Framed it as his moral responsibility to never sign up for any digital media ever again since he has a family. I pointed him to a few resources to sail the high seas and he’s got his high seas pc hooked up to his TV and cancelled all his subscriptions. I’m so proud.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
“No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago. Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact, made self evident by the treatment of Luigi and the composition of the upcoming administration and its supporters.
But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.
Culture is not our friend.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
“Trickle down economics only occurs when the wealthy bleed.”
Similar, and appropriate. The working class will only benefit once the wealthy are no longer wealthy.
Righteous censorship, got it.
Can’t have a “terrorist” demonstrating his competence and productivity after all.
The overlords know they’ve really fucked up when the competent, productive people start getting resentful and side-eyeing the system.
Don’t worry everyone, the new President is going to rename the Gulf of Mexico and annex Greenland, so that will take care of it!
True, although it may also be “good things” done by person do not outweigh “bad thing” done by person. I’m sure there’s a name for that.
Like human experimentation. Yes, bad, shouldn’t be done, outright illegal, immoral, inhumane, but has been done. Should we discard the scientific results?There should be efforts to duplicate the results in an ethical way, the lack of rigorous ethics indicates biases. If you tortured a guy for research, did you also do less bad things like falsify results?
The Stanford prison experiment is a good example, afaik they published in several journals and I don’t believe any of them have printed retractions. There are huge problems with the methodology that are still being discussed, and the results are still being referenced.
Obviously no… We hired these criminals so they can keep doing these experiments in the US!
Righteous censorship is only “righteous” because everyone else is prevented from saying otherwise.
Stopped using stack overflow ages ago because of how many assholes there are there.
You don’t want to go to Pornhub then
You’d probably get better coding advice in the comments.
I got a decade old question closed as a duplicate.
You can just ask an AI anyway since it’s training set will basically just be stackoverflow.
the entirety of stackoverflow is not enough data to make the AI work properly. They need terabytes of text, stackoverflow has about 50-100GB of useful data at most
Plus AI is actually happy to answer your random questions, with an immediate response. Stack overflow will quickly become obsolete as AI gets better
AI is just regurgitating old stack overflow. It’s not going to get better.
AI is going to get worse, while stack overflow will be superceded by better resources in the future.
It would be pretty neat if Sal Kahn created an alternative, but that’s very different from his existing project.
Assigning to a number like they do prisoners.
Disgusting behaviour from Stack Overflow and the perpetrators.
He’s user number 24601 as far as I’m concerned
Gione Valgione
694201337
probably was the internal id number, but still scummy behaviour.
we are all numbers. lemmy.ca has a user number for you, your government has a number for you, your local library has a number for you.
that is just how a digital world works.
What if I told you that television shows were dangerous? It’s true. In the year 2000, four out of every five injuries occurred in a home that owned a VHS copy of Robocop III. Someone might say, “That’s compelling Robocorrelation, but that data alone does not suggest Robocausation.” Fine. But maybe your first instinct was to say, “Robocop III is a movie, not a TV show, you fucking dumbass.” If so, then congratulations, idiot, you’re a Technical Genius. You’re smart enough to spot a technicality, but too dumb to know everyone else did too and it was light years away from the point. You’re the kind of person who tells your doctor, “Um, it’s Chief Chirpa?” when he tells you that getting the Wicket doll out of your asshole will require surgery. “And, um,” you’ll add, “it’s an action figure? Maybe you should have gone to a non-stupid medical school.”
The nice thing about being a Technical Genius is that it feels like proof you’re smarter than everyone. They can say you don’t “get it” all day, but they’re the imbeciles who think Robocop III is a TV show. Look at it like this: You are the only one in the history of Koala Times Bus Tours to contract syphilis from a koala bite. You might be embarrassed, but at least you aren’t like those other fools screaming “Don’t touch the koala bears!” when they are in fact marsupials. I mean, if koalas were actual bears, your whole face would be missing, not still here and covered in pulsing chancres.
Technical Geniuses reach maximum annoying when they decide that pointing out technicalities is a sense of humor. For instance, if you announced, “My wife is pregnant and we’re having a boy,” a Technical Genius might quip, “Well, technically only women can have babies. Unless you count the Chief Chirpa action figure currently breaching my anus – um, which you should, since it is the dictionary definition. Heard of it? Hey, everyone! This idiot with no dictionary is watching me shit out a Chief Chirpa, and he doesn’t even know which gender gives birth!”
Jean Valjean was labelled prisoner number 24601, apropos of nothing
Who is that?
Ah, a character for Les Miserables.
Why the fuck did they turn the book into a musical I can never unfortunately understand
Money. Like how the CEO who got shot turned people’s suffering into money
I enjoyed it, though I’d much prefer to watch it live.
