Been at a desk for 20-years, now at physical labor. Recently figured out that I’m running a serious caloric deficit, and I’m already a skinny fucker. Also, I’m aiming to build a little muscle and a lot of endurance. How do I eat?!
Back when I was working hard, ate tons of fast food. Too expensive and time consuming, don’t want off the clock to go eat (hour round trip including eating). Took a 12-hour shift today and did OK sucking down granola bars, water and kratom, ate my wife’s kickass meal when I got home.
What can I cook or bring to work to power me? What’s simple and cheap and doesn’t require much on-site prep? (We have a microwave, toaster, all that, I just want calories and protein in my face with no fuss). Afraid I’m half-ass cannibalizing myself.
Roasted peanuts are cheap, high calorie, high protein, and shelf stable. It’s a decent mix of all the macronutrients (including carbs and fiber). Personally, I can also eat them all day.
Around me, a $3 jar has 2500 calories, over 200g fat, over 100g protein, and about 30g fiber. On a per dollar basis, it’s hard to beat for shelf stable food.
Excellent and exactly what I was looking for! For me, almonds are great, helps me poop sanely. I know, growing those bastards is hell on the environment, I’ll stick with peanuts.
I am by no means expert on the topic but I am also in the same situation as you. If your job is a 12-hour shift pattern, that means you have 3-4 days off in one week. Use those days to cook food and do meal prep for your job, and also to eat as much as you could. Eat food high in proteins and calories. Chicken is the usual go-to meat because it is low on salt and fat, but high on protein and calories. Lean beef is also great. Moreover, it is also important to eat fruits and vegetables to provide nutrients that amplify the muscle intake of proteins, such as spinach, quinoa, lentils, avocado, banana etc.
If you are really skinny though, you have a licence to eat. You could “dirty bulk” by eating as much junk foods as possible to accelerate the weight and muscle gains.
Again, I am no expert but these are what I had been advised and researched on. You should find more information on the Internet.
I did GOMAD, actually more like 1/2 GOMAD. https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/gomad-diet for 4-5 months to gain weight. Went to the gym as well, so at least some of the weight goes to muscles.
Trying to eat more is going to be very difficult for you due to early satiety and not knowing how much more you actually need to eat and it is hard to count calories from random food and do math in your head all the time is annoying.
We skinny people think that we are eating enough but actually need to eat a lot more than we think. Maybe our bodies are not efficient at extracting the calories from food or high metabolism, I have no idea. I will be eating the same as my normal/ overweight - friends but not gaining weight. With GOMAD, you can monitor the calories and can figure out at which point (calories) you start to gain weight. The math is easy to do as well.
In my opinion, milk is the most easiest if you can handle milk. It is fast to consume, 0 preparation, easy to monitor/count the calories, easy to adjust as needed and can fit easily in to your normal habit/schedules and lastly no dishes (only cup) to clean up. The more easy something is to do, the more likely you will stick to it.
I built up to it, started with 2 glasses of milk a day, and slowly increased every few days to 1/2 GOMAD. Your bowels will tell you if you are drinking too much too soon. Go slow, the body digestive system, and microbes need to build up to it. Once I noticed I was gaining weight, I stayed at that amount for a few months. It was 1/2 GOMAD for me.
Note that this is not a long-term thing, I don’t think it is healthy long-term. Once you reach your goal, focus more on a variety of food. I still drink about 1 litre of milk a day. One thing I notice is that once you gain quite a bit of weight, it is quite difficult to lose it.
Haven’t read up on GOMAD yet, but milk is a solid recommendation! On a previous office job I’d drink a monster glass every morning, basically my breakfast.
That’s exactly the sort of reminder I was looking for!
That’s good you are not lactose intolerant. You need to still eat your normal 3 meals a day. The milk is on top of the normal meals.
You want carbs (energy) and protein (muscle). Stack up PB&Js. Dude I worked with in the coast guard would have two triple deck PB&J for lunch absolutely loaded with pb and j. You get your carbs from the bread, the protein and fat from the pb, plus sugars and a small amount of vitamins and shit from the j.
Rice and beans
Chicken (season and cook on a pan in the oven at high temperature)
Make soup
Stew (thicker soup)
Oatmeal for breakfast
While you’re bulking: pasta and bread
You can cook diced onions and other vegetables and add to pasta sauce to improve it
I get all that, but I need food I can show on the move with little to no prep. Your take would be far wiser than what I’m doing!
I worked with a guy who was taking roids to bulk up. He once ate three sandwiches on his lunch break. I am not suggesting that you do the same. It’s just the only thing I have as a point of reference.
Search for sites about muscle building, probably.
For one thing stop the Kratom. It’s highly problematic in general but weight loss is a common side effect. General stimulation without energy reserves is also a common side effect leading to dizziness.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prescription-drug-abuse/in-depth/kratom/art-20402171
For food try a Shooter’s sandwich.
If you have use of an outlet for an hour or so before lunch rice cooker meals can make a great hot lunch that only needs to be plugged in before lunch.
If you’re not sure about something, rub it against a piece of paper! If the paper turns clear, it’s your window to weight gain.
Did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College, too?
Hi, Dr. Nick!
Hi, everybody!
You must say “Canapurda” out loud when doing so though.
I like to make up pasta dishes in sauce with veggies that reheat well. Pasta alfredo (made with butter and parmigiano reggiano) with spinach and pieces of chicken, or red sauce pasta with a bunch of veggies like zucchini, broccoli, onions and even beans, with some olive oil in the sauce. I buy the precut frozen veggie medleys and chuck them in. You can also make egg fried rice with veggies in it, with your choice of butters and oils. Cheese, nuts, dairy, eggs, I agree with other commenters that fat is not your enemy. Sugar and ultra-processed stuff should still be avoided but embrace the butter, haha.
Peanut butter is also fantastic for healthy calorie density and travels well.
The easy way to add calories and protein is dairy products. Start your day with coffee and heavy cream instead of milk or half and half. Add cheese or butter to meals you already enjoy.
When a buddy of mine was general labor at a warehouse, his lunch was occasionally a sleeve of Oreos and ice cream. You can be as “irresponsible” as you want for a while.
You can be as “irresponsible” as you want for a while.
This is really the important part. If you’re worried you’re not getting enough fuel, the simple answer is whatever you can stomach until you feel like you’re in the right place, and then you can optimize.
Seconding dairy - cheese sticks, or a thick slice of cheddar off the block, are a really dense source of calories, have decent protein, and can sit in your lunch all day without issue
Last year I got down to roughly 115lb abs 6ft due to a combination of job stress, alcohol related gastritis, then when I used weed gummies to quit the booze I got cannabinoid hyperemesis (1 year no booze now, about 6 months no gummies. Might try one or the other again at some point but I’d need to address my lifestyle and job stressors first).
I went to see a gastroenterologist and their main advice was just to take the opportunity to eat terribly, or at least, what would normally be considered terribly. Normally calorie dense foods are ill advised because they lead to obesity but if you’re having trouble keeping on weight they’re exactly what you need.
I basically wound up living off snickers bars for a few months. Rock climbers actually use them for the same reason; there’s a looot of calories packed into those tiny bars, and a decent amount of it is fat / protein compared to similar options (maybe payday bars if you really wanna up the protein factor). The caveat here is that I also have IBS, so I needed to take Metamucil / psyllium husk fiber as well to make sure my stomach kept functioning well / keep the chocolate and sugar from agitating my colon, which also would have led to malabsorption / not absorbing the calories, which would have defeated the point.
You can get the fiber in capsules to just take with water instead of having to mix up a whole beverage to chug, but if you do that you need to make sure you stay hydrated so it doesn’t constipate you. I recommend getting a water bottle / skein of some kind that sits against your body well so it can stay with you on the move. I used one of those gallon bottles and would leave it on my work computer with a tall straw and just sip at it every time I stopped to chart, but it sounds like you might need something more around the size of a quart to strap to you.
Best of luck!
Used psyllium husk when I was sitting on my ass. And speaking of my ass, it seems to be adjusting to actually moving my guts around.
Man, I feel you. I’m an “adjusted” alcoholic, light beer only, lots of it, never get a hangover, still need it. Couple of jobs back I was stressed as hell, didn’t realize, suffered gut problems constantly, thought it was the booze. Nope, just stress.
Been thinking on hitting the gummies. Just a puff or two and I’m done with the beer for the night. Can’t smoke anymore, too much damage from cigs.
So both the upside and downside of oral THC is the longer onset time. On one hand that makes it significantly less habit forming, but that also means it’s not gonna give you that instant satisfaction of the shower beer or settling into the couch with a cocktail after work. Working 12s that actually makes it more or less completely nonviable; by the time it would hit I’m supposed to be in bed. You can somewhat get around that though by taking a tincture that absorbs sublingually / through the cheek. The other problem you’re going to run into with the longer onset is that addictive tendency to overdo it because in your head you’re thinking that if you don’t take “enough” it’ll take much longer to “correct” / titrate your dose upward to your desired level of baked.
yeah people don’t understand what I mean about the whole sobriety culture being fundamentally broken thing. We’ve built up so much shame as a culture around addictive behavior that we push people into this weird shame cycle instead of addressing the cultural and lifestyle factors that lead to all this. Like if I was going to drink again socially, the main thing I would need is a non-alcohol related social hobby that takes up most of my time. It’s not a question of me having had trouble drinking, it’s that I had too much stressing me out and wasn’t engaging in any other social activities so I was leaning on it way too hard. I’m not actually mentally healthier than when I was drinking and using the gummies, I’m just physically healthier and that’s hopefully going to give me the energy to go fix the mental health problems at… some point I guess. Still working on that one (the other myth of sobriety culture is that sobriety somehow = mentally healthy. It does not).
My bulking food was always Triscuits and hummus. A lot of calories in a small package and not really unhealthy. Walnuts are also good for you and calorie dense.
Ok you need to separate this. You need food options and you need bulk calories.
For breakfast, you need a decent hit of low GI carbs and a protein source. Whilegrain toast with whatever or oats is GOAT, add in a protein coffee (Cold brew/espresso and vanilla protein powder) and you have my breakfast. If you want some more calories and fats in breakfast mix the protein shake on whole milk not water. But this combo burns long and slow.
For the calories at work onsite grab yourself some mass gainer protein and smash a shake with lunch. Lunch can be whatever the hell you want with one of those. One serve of most mass gainers is half of my daily maintenence calories. Unless your job is professional weightlifting, you probably wont out-work this. Although Id advocate for a big boy wholemeal roll stuffed with some meats and a lot of salad.
I think it would be a really good idea for you to track your intake for a few weeks and get a good idea on how much you really need to eat. My Fitness Pal is ok but Macrofactor takes a breakdown of what you put in and your weight and over time dials in how much you need to eat for what physical result you want.
In simplest terms for muscle gain in most grown men the rule of thumb is 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is a good number to aim for spaced as equally as you can throughout the day in 3 to 5 meals. I could write more about the myths and legends that permeate this shit but for 99% of people 99% of the time - This will work.
Take me for example. My 0% body fat weight would be 155lbs. So 1 scoop of protein in the coffee, 25g. Protein bar mid morning 25g, mass gainer at lunch 50g, even if your afternoon snack is pure carbs dinner only has to be 55g for me to hit the base markers for ideal muscle growth and theres 56g in a double quarter pounder.
Get some soylent and take it with you to the job site. You just unscrew a bottle and you can chug 320 calories in a few seconds.
Easy, clean energy. Doesn’t have to replace your meal either. Just something you can ingest very rapidly even if you don’t have an appetite.
In other news, nuts are very calorically rich for their volume. So if you’re just wondering how to get a lot of calories with something you can take on-site, a big jar of mixed nuts can’t hurt. Keep it in your car or break room.
I heard the latest research is indicating that we use the same amount of energy each day, no matter what activity we are doing. Thus gaining or losing weight is a matter of controlling what we eat. Bigger people eat more and smaller people require less food.
There’s no way that I burn the same amount of energy sitting on my ass as I would running a marathon. Maybe I misunderstood, but I think this is obviously wrong.
Of course not! But Google AI’s take dovetails with what I’ve been reading lately.
According to recent research, the idea that we burn roughly the same amount of energy each day regardless of our activity level, often referred to as the “constrained total energy expenditure” theory, is gaining traction, suggesting that our bodies may compensate for increased physical activity by reducing energy expenditure in other areas, potentially limiting the overall calorie burn despite changes in activity levels; however, this is a complex topic with ongoing research and not universally accepted as definitive fact.
The “Exercise Paradox”: This concept suggests that even when we exercise more, our body may make adjustments to maintain a relatively stable overall energy expenditure, potentially by reducing energy used in other daily activities like fidgeting or non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT).
Researchers believe that hormonal changes and physiological adaptations could play a role in regulating energy expenditure to maintain a stable baseline.
While the overall trend might be towards a constrained energy expenditure, the degree of compensation can vary significantly between individuals depending on factors like genetics, diet, and activity level.
Not a justification for inactivity: Even if the body compensates to some degree, regular physical activity still offers numerous health benefits beyond just calorie burning, such as improved cardiovascular health, muscle strength, and mental well-being.
Studies investigating this concept often have limitations, including challenges in accurately measuring total energy expenditure and individual variations in activity patterns.
Sounds evolutionary sane. We automatically adjust our metabolism given available calories. Wildly simple take by me, but I get it.
Anecdotally I have found the exact opposite to be true for my body. I got a job that required a short walk and stairs to get to and even that made a difference in how much I had to eat. Started jazzercise after my last kid and was confused because I thought I’d lost like 5 lb but I was having to buy new clothes because mine didn’t fit - I had dropped 25lb, and gotten underweight just from doing aerobic dance while my kids were in swim class a few times a week.
When I cannot work out, even if I control my diet I will gain, still inside a healthy weight but definitely gain.
It’s always activity that makes the difference for me.
This sounds to me like maybe it applies to some people, which is why some find it more difficult to lose weight, but for most people, increased activity = burning more energy ie calories.
I just find that hard to believe because I am in the exact same situation as OP, and I definitely noticed I lost some weight in addition to going to gym. You definitely need to eat more than what your body is burning.
OP is talking about metabolic changes over time, wether he knows it or not. :) It’s a thing we’re recently learning about.
Example:
The “Exercise Paradox”: This concept suggests that even when we exercise more, our body may make adjustments to maintain a relatively stable overall energy expenditure, potentially by reducing energy used in other daily activities like fidgeting or non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT).
Really interesting concept, could you point me towards somewhere I could further research this?
See my previous comments:
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/15456099
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/15456241
Damned interesting! Way too complex to boil down into meme format, but the idea does make sense.
What I’m wondering; If we adjust our metabolism for fewer calories, what are we sacrificing in return? LOL, too tired to dig deep on this ATM. Apparently I need more calories.
Cool, thanks
Read the same, very recently. Nah, it’s not the same amount, but as I remember the data showed it closer than we thought.
In any case, I’m certainly burning more. Learned to recognize, “Oh shit! Tank’s low!”
For the disbelievers; Google AI to get started on terminology:
According to recent research, the idea that we burn roughly the same amount of energy each day regardless of our activity level, often referred to as the “constrained total energy expenditure” theory, is gaining traction, suggesting that our bodies may compensate for increased physical activity by reducing energy expenditure in other areas, potentially limiting the overall calorie burn despite changes in activity levels; however, this is a complex topic with ongoing research and not universally accepted as definitive fact
Data:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10201660/
Plenty more if anyone wants to look deeper.
Well, then your ears are malfunctioning. Going on a run burns more energy than not.
That’s obviously true and not the target of the research.