• derf82@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Glad people saw through the lies opponents were spewing. Ohio hasn’t had many blue victories, but I’m glad this was one.

    Plus, recreational marijuana is passing as well. Sadly, that’s a statute and not amendment, so the dickheads in the legislature will probably fuck with it.

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      Ohio has had two blue victories this year alone! We aren’t a deep red state, we are simply gerrymandered all to hell. The map was even declared illegal in the courts, and our dear government kept using the illegal maps anyways!

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        If the Republicans can ignore the laws why don’t we just start ignoring their laws too. They want to shut down the government? Fucking ignore the crazy assholes. Simply refuse to lets a minority opinion dictate anything.

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          If the Republicans can ignore the laws why don’t we just start ignoring their laws too.

          Because the government has a monopoly on force, and you will get arrested and put in jail.

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            I wasn’t referring to my bullshit…I’m referring to their bullshit attempts to hold the country hostage…just ignore their theatrical bullshit and pay bills. These fucks only care about debt when it isn’t a Republican president, nothing they say at this point is valid and deserving of consideration.

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      The result from this vote tells me that Ohio isn’t red out of pure population ideology but because of unfair voting districts.

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        It’s more complicated than that. Gerrymandering doesn’t affect state-level votes like governor or president.

        I think what this reveals more is that there are a non-trivial amount of voters who generally support Republicans but who will support abortion rights when asked specifically about them, even if they wouldn’t otherwise vote for a Democrat.

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        Ohio used to be widely known as a swing state, even with the fucked up gerrymandering. It’s been pretty solidly red since Trump was in office, but historically Ohio was pretty purple before that.

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          Gerrymandering doesn’t impact statewide races, only house races. They still went for Trump and elected a Republican senator. They also have a Republican governor.

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            Ok, but I said before Trump was in office, Ohio was historically pretty purple. In the 50 years before Trump, Ohio voted for the Democratic presidential candidate 5 times, and the Republican candidate 5 times. In the same time frame, the state has had 3 Democratic governors to 4 Republican. The state has largely been split between the two parties for a vast majority of it’s history.

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      It depends on the location. Ohio isn’t really that conservative, it’s mostly lolbertarian meth towns.

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      More than anything, when will they realize that the game is up? We know they don’t actually care about children. We know they just want to make women second class citizens again. We aren’t idiots

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        You think MAGA is voting for abortion? I’d like to see the numbers on that. I know some of them just want to watch everything burn but I also think most MAGA are aligned with the christo-fascists.

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          I think you misinterpreted what they said. They were implying the MAGA crowd may feel confident voting MAGA again now that abortion is enshrined in the constitution. Many of them may vote for all kinds of things, but abortion rights are fairly popular.

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            I guess I’m just not aware of how MAGAs feel about abortion. To me they’ve always seemed aligned with Christian conservatives (chrito-fasicists) in that abortion should be illegal. I could be convinced otherwise, if there was data to show it.

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              I think the thread here is that maybe they care about abortion, or maybe they don’t, but they very much care about winning power through elections.

              And they know they’ve been on the loser side of the abortion issue. They’re ready to drop it and move on.

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              I’m not totally sure on the far right, but republican voters, particularly women, generally still want abortion rights protected. It’s why so many elections have been favorable to democrats lately. I’m not sure why the hell republican politicians still do things like they do with abortion and weed, for example, that Republicans generally are in favor of.

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                Is that really because of the MAGAs? I mean it could be. I just haven’t seen the polling that proves it. To me, once they went Trump they were all in. I just don’t see many moderates that have admitted they fucked up. Maybe that’s just human nature.

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                  I’ve seen some realize their mistake, but yeah I think you’re right that a lot of the MAGAs don’t really care. That said, a good number probably decided to just stay home if I had to guess. I haven’t seen any data though.

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          Conservatives will happily vote for the face eating leopards when they don’t even have a veneer of protection, this state level protection is great but will ultimately remove a reason to vote blue from the extremely self interested voters that don’t mind the rest of the regressive platform.

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    go to conservative spaces now and watch them try to walk “ABORTION IS MURDER, LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION” back to “well from the beginning our goal was only ever to return sovereignty to the states.”

    they stand for nothing, and they’re getting what they deserve but not nearly enough of it

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      Lmao one of the lawmakers in the article is still talking about protecting innocent lives, and that “this isn’t over”. This, in case the GOP was wondering, is why they keep losing on abortion

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      Fr, they’re great at quietly changing their minds, but I gotta at least hope the “abortion is baby genocide” crowd is gonna have some trouble coming back from that

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      Big paternalistic authoritarian energy. “Those damn voters just don’t know what’s good for them!”

      And they do the usual gaslighting and tell us we’ve been duped by people who are only looking out for themselves, which is also a projection.

      And you do?

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      Well to be fair, they don’t like the idea of democracy and freedom so this is what they do. (shrug)

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      Are we sure they aren’t Democrat plants? At this point still pledging to go against abortion is begging for a repeat in 2024

      Edit: I apparently needed to put a /s here haha

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      The weed issue also passed but the legislature may just ignore the will of the people. I don’t think they can do anything about this though.

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        nope, as soon as it ‘officially’ passes (how many recounts you think? would you place wagers on an over-under of five?) it’s part of the Ohio constitution. they’d have to run a second ammendment through to vacate it. and that won’t happen.

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      The bulk of us don’t take crazy pills, we’re just gerrymandered to high hell (I mean read the signs, we literally say it on our freeways…). All it really takes to see that is that whenever something goes to the polls that isn’t tied to districts we tend to lean more towards personal freedom.

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    Recreational weed was on the same ballot and both passed. Ohio actually managed to do two things right, which is a pleasant change of pace.