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    People seem to be freaking out about vegan thing.

    I am pretty sure the artist is referring to the owner literally going out and buying either wet food with meat chunks or some other meal with meat directly in it, as opposed to dry food with no meat bits.

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      Kibble is still made with meat in it it’s just been pressed and dehydrated.

      It’s a reference to some stupid ass vegans that think obligate carnivores can survive on a plant based diet.

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        I’m aware healthy dry food contains meat. It’s fundamentally necessary for cats. I could understand vegans not wanting raw or preserved meat in their house, and I think having dry food would be an easy compromise for most vegans, but the ones who are very loving of their pet companions would keep wet food and meat treats for their cats despite it.

        Quite frankly if a vegan is so bad at research that they don’t know cats need meat, I doubt they’d realize that dry food contains meat, and vice versa.

        I think you are assuming something worse to be needlessly angry. I think you have an implicit bias that most vegans are idiots and that’s lead you to your assumption.

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          There’s a reason I said some vegans and not all.

          I don’t really care what people choose to eat. If you’re vegan good for you, same with vegetarian or whatever diet you prefer.

          I’ve just seen stories about vegans starving animals of proper nutrients trying to prove animals can survive on plant based diets and it’s been a joke for a long time.

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            I am doubtful the author is going to drop something macabre like that, as a passing statement, in a comic about a robot wondering if he’s loved.

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              I mean they’re already referencing that loving something means giving it what it needs to flourish despite personal beliefs.

              That’s kinda the same reference just with a positive spin attempting to informative

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    No, robot, you’re loved. We scoop all the poops you make. We feed you all the food you need…

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    Carnivore means that nutrients typical found in meat are required for a nutrient-complete diet. Carnivore doesn’t mean that meat itself is needed. Vegan cat food exists and has artificial taurin added for example. The kneejerk reaction of CaTs NeEd MeAT ThO is so frustrating. Educate yourself and stop be hypocrits.

    Edit: Should have guessed you just want to parrot your existing believes lol but sure keep downvoting

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      There’s a lot more to a balanced cat diet than just the nutrients. Even feeding a cat cooked rather than raw meat will lead to malformities and deficiencies in the long run. Forcing a cat on a vegan diet is an experiment with their health and well-being, which will most likely cause it to suffer unnecessarily.

      If you really are that militant about not serving meat, just don’t have a pet that is an obligate carnivore. There are plenty of herbivore animals to have as pets.

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        Yes, because cooking destroys certain nutrients. Has nothing to do with the source of the nutrients.

        A diet is balanced as long as it contains all the nutrients an organism needs in a bio-available form and vegan cat food that checks these marks exist.

        Not wanting animals to be needlessly killed isn’t militant btw. but nice buzzword.

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          Precisely, even such a minor deviation from the natural diet of cats can cause serious health issues.

          General scientific consensus is that commercially available vegan cat food is nutritionally inadequate (despite claiming otherwise).

          General consensus amongst veterinarians is that feeding cats vegan or vegetarian diets is likely to cause health issues.

          (one amongst several articles)

          https://www.petmd.com/cat/nutrition/can-cats-be-vegan-or-vegetarian

          Also, militant is a frequently used and suitable word in this case - acting grammar nazi isn’t really helping your case here. (unless you aren’t intensely devoted to not serving meat? If so, my apologies lol)

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    Vegans that are Vegan for the animals probably wouldn’t feed a cat other animals, it makes no sense. There is Vegan cat food that works just fine.

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        If you knew the history of cat food you would know that even meat made cats sick without added synthetic taurine.

        They have since added taurine to all cat foods.

        Vegan cat food is perfectly healthy for cats.

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          Was curious so I looked it up.

          Couldn’t find anything backing up your claim that meat without synthetic taurine makes cats sick (which sounds like BS) and actually find some info that said that long-term affects of synthetic taurine is unknown in cats, and may not be as bioavailable for them as animal-based taurine.

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              Not seeing the word “synthetic” there chief. Wanna try again?

              Also from your article: "Cat foods that contain high-quality animal-based protein will supply adequate levels of taurine for a normal, healthy cat.

              Supplemental taurine may be added to certain cat foods, especially diets that are formulated for specific needs such as heart disease or growth and development"

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                There is literally no difference in chemical structure between synthetic and natural taurine.

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                  No but if you’re a vegan you can’t have the stuff out of animals; you have to make your own.

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          You’re willing to toy with making a cat blind AND spread information. Fuck off forever.

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          Food is just chemicals and it turns out it doesn’t actually matter if the chemicals have a soul attached to them or not. Personally don’t think vegans should own pets at all but the whole “they carnivores tho” is rly dumb

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            Vegans wouldn’t “Own” someone else. Plenty of vegans rescue other animals and take care of them as wards.

            I personally don’t use the word pet when referring to non-human animals in someone’s care.

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                Because I use the same word for human animals and non-human animals. I would call a foster kid my pet. I call them my ward or a ward of the state.

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      There is not vegan cat food that works just fine, and you’re a fucking asshole if you force an obligate carnivore to become a vegan because of your personal human beliefs.

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        I’m the asshole for not paying for animals to die?

        Makes sense when you actually think about it for more than one second.

        /S just incase.

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            Except I would be meeting their biological needs. Y’all really don’t like understanding science do you?

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              Cats eat no plant matter naturally. Absolutely none. If you have studies somehow proving that they can live by eating only things that they naturally never eat, feel free to educate me. But as far as I’m aware, attempting to put cats on a vegan diet is animal abuse.

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                I don’t think they propose feeding your cats literally vegetables, but cat food made specifically for them, containing all the proteins and micronutrients they need, sourced from plant based materials.

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                  Yes, but I am questioning whether such a thing is being produced and actually equivalent. The thread further down cites for example synthetic taurine to be of inferior nutritional value to natural taurine.

                  This isn’t something I know a lot about, and it’s probably possible to produce vegan cat food with sufficient nutrition somehow, but there’s still a burden of proof that such a thing is actually on the market and shown to not be worse for cats.

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      wouldn’t feed a cat other animals, it makes no sense. There is Vegan cat food that works just fine.

      No! Cats are obligate carnivores. A vegan diet would literally kill them painfully.

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          Oh yeah? By taking care of my cat and supplying him with food that his body needs I’m an abuser? Because I buy meat based food from a company that buys their meat from a processor that buys their meat from a slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals? I don’t think that’s ironic, I think that’s a stretch.

          Some vegans are such clueless pricks.

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            […] slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals

            some vegans are such clueless pricks

            what do you think happens in a slaughterhouse lmao?

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                judging by your snarky reply, i’m guessing you understand how slaughterhouses work.

                in your original comment i replied to, you go to great lengths to illustrate how removed you are from the whole process and how uncertain you are that the slaughterhouses are even abusing their animals. if you know what happens in slaughter houses, how could you even entertain the possibility of one existing that doesn’t abuse their animals? they are purpose-built to do exactly that.

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                  Killing does not equal abuse, ie torture. I have no doubt many slaughterhouses do, but that’s not my fault–its my shitty government’s fault for not protecting the animals and funding efforts to do so.

                  I still have to feed my cat what it needs. I’m a vegetarian, but biologically I’m not and neither is my cat. Unlike my cat, I have the option to become one voluntarily. Thus, meat is murder and yada yada but Mr. Whiskers needs his goddamn catfood.

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            “Slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals” Slaughterhouse… Slaughter… House…

            And I’m the clueless one…

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              I’m. Not. Slaughtering. Anything. You want to change the system, be my guest. But it’s a matter of biology, not ethics.

              Cats are fucking predators and that’s final. People like you feed newborn babies oat milk and then are shocked when it dies. Indeed, clueless. Give vegans a bad name.

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                I mean you are arguing the exact opposite of what the original post is.

                I’ve never researched it before but having read the links on this post, it seems like it is safe to feed your cat a diet that doesn’t consist of meat. Great stuff I say, the world is slowly getting better. Ordering some for my cat now.

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      Vegans that are Vegan for the animals probably wouldn’t feed a cat other animals

      So a cat isn’t the right pet for them. Abusing a cat is literally the opposite of caring for an animal.

      The fact that this has so many upvotes is upsetting.

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        Well. My cat gets regular cat food, but I do kinda deny him “the choice of food”. (He’s prone to get diarrhea and gets a specialty food for sensitive stomachs.)

        I fail to see how choosing for your cat somehow would he wrong, since literally every cat owner does it. We don’t sent them shopping and accept whatever they bring home.

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      Vegan cat food is not just vegetables for the uninformed. It is made to have all the necessary components that a car needs in its diet, mostly it is just missing the death of an animal part.