Oof… Man, to live in the US. I don’t envy you guys, though things aren’t really going the right direction here in the Netherlands, either.
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I try, brother.
Your perceptions about the experience of the average American are a long way from accurate. You might want to take a hard look at the media you’re consuming.
EDIT: I have now discovered that the fastest way to kick the Lemmy hornet’s nest is to say you aren’t living in constant terror of being mowed down at random. How do you people function out in public? Do you even go out in public? This place is a fucking hole.
There’s a child in my family who has monthly school shooter drills
I’m american. Is my perception of the average American correct?
And when I was a kid we had tornado drills. Schools got hit by tornados, but it was a freak incident that was ultimately an overblown fear.
If only there was some parallel we could draw here…
If only…
According to a quick search I could only find 2 cases of tornadoes hitting US schools in the last 25 years, giving an average of about 1 school tornado hit per 12 years. I believe it’s fair to say that was overblown.
However, in the same 25 years there have been over 400 school shootings in the US, meaning there is an average of about 1 school shooting per month. I’d say that’s a pretty reasonable fear.
Also one is an “act of god” while the other is entirely man-made. Keep the thought and prayers for the one god is actually responsible for.
There’s no way that figure holds up. For tornadoes I mean.
It could be that many tornados have been near schools, (justifying the drills), but only that many have actually hit the schools (which would be catastrophic without the drills)
That’s possible. I think where the data goes astray is the severity of the tornado. Like in other words, I bet tornadoes are hitting schools all the time but it’s hardly more than a strong wind.
Like just from a quick Google search, there are about 1,200 tornadoes a year in the United States. And there have been days that have had record tornadoes of like 100 tornadoes per day. And I know, at least as of a few years ago, there were quite a few areas of the country where there are huge gaps in radar coverage.
It’s just that it’s not really anyone’s job to count how many schools get hit by tornadoes. It’s kind of like how with dog bites, it’s not anyone’s job to record the breed, so the data ends up being a total crap shootn and nobody really has any idea.
And that figure is inflated. The School Shootings That Weren’t https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
When people hear “school shootings” they imagine events like Columbine, even when that’s not what’s being counted. Literally every time a gun is fired at a school regardless of circumstances, it’s a school shooting. This includes cases where nobody is injured, the event happens after hours, or the people involved are unaffiliated with the school. Seriously, the NPR article I linked mentions a case where a guy killed himself in the parking lot of a building owned by the school district (that had not had students in it for years). That counted as a school shooting.
The sort of event people imagine IS more common than tornadoes, and even stupid, unrelated incidents that result in injuries is ALSO more common than tornadoes. The fact remains that there are not 400 Columbines a year. The chances of a particular student dying of any violent means on school property is vanishingly small. People worried about their kids getting killed in a school shooting should also worry about meteor and lightning strikes.
It’s insane that a gun is even fired off in school that often. What circumstances could make that OK
It isn’t OK, every single case is a crime.
There was a newsworthy incident where a cop managed to pull off a negligent discharge. Nobody got hurt, but guess what? Still a school shooting.
So what? Still proves that your comparison to tornado drills is, well, utterly ridiculous and without merit…
Not ridiculous, the odds of either event injuring or killing any particular individual are vanishingly small. A person who worries about school shootings should be positively terrified of climbing ladders or crossing a busy road.
People are really bad at contextualizing risk. Just look at the “stranger danger” scare.
Clearly I wasn’t using the figures in that article because I said it was 400 over 25 years, not 240 in a single year. Even in that article they say they were able to confirm at least 12 shootings in that year, supporting my estimated average of 1 per month.
Also children don’t have to be actually shot to be traumatized by a shooting. The number of children affected by school shootings is thousands of times higher than the number of injuries or deaths.
The children have nothing to fear because it’s actually illegal for bullets to miss their intended target.
You sound like a really unpleasant human being.
So fire drills are also not necessary?
Media bias is one thing for sure, but there are data showing that gun related death are much higher in the USA than whole of Europe (except, well… Ukraine).
Gun related death per 100k inhabitants, in 2019: USA=10, Netherlands=0.5. Gun deaths by country - WorldPopulationReview.com
I’m not arguing that, especially because that figure includes suicides.
I’ve noticed that (especially on Lemmy) people outside the US think we’re dodging bullets as we go about our days. Really, everybody is just doing their own thing and minding their own business.
You know no one thinks that
Are you high? Is this your first day on Lemmy?
Cool more shit no one believes. Feel better now?
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They literally gave no details about their perception. They might just pity people with kids who worry about school shootings which is a valid thing to feel and a valid thing to pity.
And I’m saying most level-headed people don’t worry about school shootings.
While I’m sure other parents do worry about that, they’re also the kind of people who worry about serial killers.
If you go around invalidating common experiences, expect not to be well received
It does affect them personally therefore it is not an issue.
It’s a simple conservative stance because they’re simple people.
If somebody worries about serial killers they have an objectively bad grasp on reality.
There were 327 school shootings in the 2021-22 school year in the US. That’s more shootings than there are days in a school year. If we had an event wherein a known serial killer publicly tried to murder someone literally every day, reckon folks would be a might bit more concerned about it?
What I’m saying is this is a silly comparison for you to make.
And in that example, people would still be foolish to panic.
The US is a nation that covers half a continent and has a third of a billion people. The lifetime odds of getting murdered by a stranger versus literally any other way to die?
Any person who rides in an automobile runs a greater risk of death. If you’re not clutching at your sheets in terror at the thought of getting in a car, you shouldn’t worry about getting killed by a random person.
Earlier this month, I had a parent-teacher meeting with lots of parents and she had to explain to one parent to please stop allowing her 2nd grader to come with weapons. The parent kept putting a butterfly knife in the kid’s bookbag and she explained that they are doing everything they can to ensure safety, but now when a 2nd grader has a knife.
People are fucking nuts. You have to think that at some point the thought would occur to them that they shouldn’t be slipping a knife into little Timmy’s backpack.
Closing the asylums was a mistake.
How t f is this downvoted?
What, about gun violence? Are you saying the shootings are under reported?
Are you nuts? How could you possibly conclude that that’s what I’m saying?
Do you even read what you write before you send it? I came away with the same conclusion as he did.
Also, what is this nonsense about ops perceptions being incorrect? How could you. Possibly know?
Anyolduser: You’re all a bunch of pussies for being afraid to get shot in a country without reasonable gun laws and increasing political unrest.
Also Anyolduser: People are disagreeing with me?!? “This place is a fucking hole”
I left the fucking country because it was too dangerous for my kids. Fuck off.
That is the poorest decision making I’ve ever even heard of. You left the largest, most stable economy in human history - one that is insulated from any serious geopolitical threat by oceans - because you got spooked by scary news stories?
Great job hamstringing your kids.
No, because a school shooting happend at my kids school in Virginia. Aren’t you due to go suck off the NRA and MAGA any moment now?
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Long term economic prospects? My kids currently have free healthcare and college. America is a burning dumpster fire and it’s mainly because of the republican party. Take your trolling to truthsocial lol
“My kids school was shot up”
“well, its your fault for sending them to public school, instead of paying through the nose for private school”
Yea… the USA is screwed.
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$30 trillion in debt and $1 trillion every 100 days interest a stable economy?
Were the US able to tax its billionaires reasonably, it would not be so in debt.
Honestly. For one the US is huge. Its like saying “living in Europe” as a shared common experience, two because of our news stations sensationalist stories are blasted 24/7 and on repeat.
The day to day life isn’t THAT crazy. No one I know personally had any personal experience with gun violence at school. 0. Out of about 100 people.
Its still tragic that any kid has experienced violence in school. 1 is too many. Its just not the daily lived experience of most Americans.
As an American I’ve never been a target of gun violence, but every once in a while (maybe once a year tops) I hear that telltale crack when I’m not in the best of places and I have to skedaddle. I’ve never been in a mass shooting, but I’ve mourned too many. I’m not living in constant fear of them, but I’m exhausted by how many happen.
Lived in America for 30 years and left 2 years ago. Had an active shooter come into my office looking to kill a co-worker. Luckily he couldn’t get into the inside secured door and left.
My best friend had an active shooter in his daughters grade school. The guy was looking to kill a specific teacher but couldn’t find him and left.
It’s very fortunate that your life is so innocent. It’s not the case for all of us.
Yea, you would have to pay me an INSANE amount of money to move to the USA. Between your increasing facism, lack of basic human services like healthcare, and issues like school shootings… I’m shocked more people aren’t fleeing.
this is what chronically online does to people
Or, you know, having a viewpoint of the USA from outside the USA, where the flaws are more obvious and you aren’t caught up in the Pro-USA insanity.
No, it’s because you’re chronically online.
Por que no los dos?
uh huh. Sure. Keep telling yourself that, guy with 3x the Lemmy comments.
What was that? Canadian throwing stones in glass houses? Couldn’t be!
Your perception thinking that your experiences make up the default “average American” experience is a long way from accurate. You may want to take an empathetic look at other people’s lives.
It sound like most didn’t read the article. You aren’t playing as the shooter, it is a horror game where you are the victim trying to escape and/or hide from the shooter.
I haven’t read the article, probably won’t, doesn’t really interest me. But I thought the title pretty clearly implies you don’t play as the shooter. I’m surprised others didn’t interpret the same way.
I can’t wait to see speed runners cheese it and completely miss its point :/
? Why come up with a hypothetical outcome just to make yourself mad? Is there some trend of speedrunners ruining educational games I am missing?
Its a joke, relax. Almost all games get speed run, no reason to expect this to be different. And any% speed runs often skip huge portions of the story, no reason to expect this to be any different either. There is nothing to be mad at, it’ll likely happen, it’ll likely be silly/funny to watch.
The :/ face doesn’t help it seem like a joke. It reads like you’re genuinely upset about people misunderstanding art.
Text is a bad medium for conveying emotion.
To me, :/ has always been a fairly neutral expression, like
¯\_(ツ)_/¯or 😐, I would have used :( to convey upset, but its certainly reasonable that others would read it differently.I kinda hoped my other comments would have made it clearer, but again, text is a bad medium :( oh well
No one has a record on speedrun.com time for me to get that world record!
I beleive in you!
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I’m not mad, its a joke. There is nothing to be mad at.
You can’t really make a point about reality by making a game. A game is a list of rules. You can adjust these rules however you like to see which players perform closest to what you think is the best way to play, and you can also sit and watch as all of those rules are cheesed because there’s no external factors to consider.
The game is gonna prop up whatever the developers think is right and be completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Games should aim to be fun. I’m gonna get back to helldivers to deliver some managed democracy to alien scum!
No parent should go through what they have gone through. And they want to express that through a game. It is an incredible idea, especially because of interactivity of the medium. I always believe that art can help hold a mirror to the society and this game proves that.
Can’t wait for this to release and then be sited as a reason why the next shooting happened by Republicans because “It’s them dang video games desensitizing these kids to violence.”
It is released, you can download it from their website https://www.thefinalexam.us/
Uhm, Columbine RPG anyone?
From the trailer and article this looks and sounds well done. It reminds me of Amnesia, at least in that type of psychological horror.
Reminds me of the opening scene of one of the CoD games where you just walk into an airport and start opening fire on random people. I did not continue playing that game.
IIRC you never actually have to shoot any of the civilians in that level, but as players we all assumed that you did. IMO that level was the most interesting commentary that has been made in the COD series because it (somewhat sneakily) put the onus onto the player. Most of us just assumed that we needed to gun down the civilians without choice. In my opinion its one of the more poignant moments in the entire series for how it handled such a grim story beat.
By any chance, have you ever played Spec Ops: The Line? I feel you’d enjoy it.
Iirc in Germany the game was censored in a way that you lose the game if you actually shot someone.
It wasn’t some sort of ethical quandary. The point of the game is to shoot people.
I disagree. Point one, the point of COD games was always to be the “Good Guys™” defeating the “Bad Guys®” but this level has you doing Bad© Guy™ stuff… So do YOU do bad guy stuff because you’ve got to so you can do Good° Guy© stuff or do you abstain? This point is somewhat ruined by “The cops showed up, we gotta shoot them.” Which then directly shows you the gameplay loop of the entire game and begs you not to engage with it.
Point two, Spec Ops: The Line, don’t worry not the white phosphorus scene. In the refugee camp you need to disperse a crowd of unarmed refugees who are going to kill you. They’ve killed your squad mate and your other squad mate awaits your order. You open fire on the crowd and your squad mate says “What the FUCK? You didn’t need to gun them down!” Jokes on you, the whole time you could’ve shot in the air and they would’ve run. You made the choice to gun them down despite not having weapons. The gameplay loop is “Shoot bad guys because they shoot at you” not “shoot anything you feel threatened by.”
The point of the game can be anything. The gameplay loop is to shoot enemies to win levels. The point was that unarmed civilians aren’t enemies. Are cops though?
This game makes me SMILE because it SHOWS me that TRANS KIDS EXISTING are WORSE then LITERALLY BEING GUNNED DOWN!
-Pro Life Republicans trying to Protect The Children!
I wish they’d share the crime scene photos of their kids.
Edit: why is this so unpopular? It will only be when Americans are forced to see the consequences of their votes that they actually confront them. Emmett Till’s mother made sure the photos of his bashed in face were on the front page of the paper.
Where’s the simulator where I can shoot back?
In the “Fantasy” section.
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So as a kid at school you have a gun? This is simulating what the kids have dealt with.
I didn’t, but knew many who did.
The solution is gun culture changes and mental health for all. In Canada we can own long guns or handguns, but there is a level of respect and responsibilty that goes with it, that USA seems to lack.
We’ll now you’re just flinging shit and missing the point of the right to bear arms. Good luck taking your long guns to overthrow a corrupt government as is the intended purpose of the right.
you realize longgun is not a musket loader, but a category of guns that have a barrel right? Like besides owning HandGuns we can also own rifles and shotguns. But we don’t have gun violence like the US does where kids need kevlar backpacks
This… Is special kind of stupid lol
You play as a victim running from the shooter though.
It’s a 10 minute game, that at the end of it tries to convince the player to vote on new gun laws. Who is this targeting? Gamers that are into horror/terror games have played plethora of great games in that genre, have a hard time believing they’d even care to download the game for those 10 minutes.
it’s an awareness tool, we’re talking about the game right now, people will play it on streams, dumb reactionaries will say stupid shit about it, and we’ll be talking about gun control bills all the while.
It’s like a PSA or political campaign ad, but interactive and intended to be viral.
It’s not trying to win game awards or start a video game franchise
Well at least they tried giving people an experience of a school shooter, not just sitting on their arse commenting on the Internet.
You know, that’s an experience everyone should hope to have. How can we beef up the realism a bit?
I know a lot of gamers who would be interested in a 10 minute game. Obviously not for $60.
They can do a new map DLC for every major shooting, that’d start to get the point across when there are hours of content.
I can see modders getting their hands on this and…subverting the original intention say.
Why would modders start with this basic game that lacks gunplay or NPCs to make a game where you play as a school shooter? The Unreal Engine empty project is closer to what you’d want as a starting point…
The urge to troll?
You can admit you didn’t really give it much thought. I guess doubling down also works, maybe they’ll mod it into a VR GTA clone MMO for lulz
Well no, I didn’t give it much thought it’s a comment on lemmy, not a manifesto.
Creating a school shooter sim may be easy, but modding a political “game” built to highlight the horror of school shooting into something “funny” that reverses its premise entirely will make a headline.
If people are letting hypothetical trolls control their actions then the trolls already won and they don’t even exist.
Every shooter that allows custom maps from the late 90s and early 00s has a map resembling Columbine. If your reason to not make a game is because someone might turn it into something horrible, there would probably be no games.
Sigh, not suggesting they don’t make it.
Idk about that, modding game is only easier if there’s mod tool, else the extend of it will only be just replace some asset/resource. Quicker to just slap together some asset and compile…a new game.
That’s a really silly thing to worry about. Modders can do that with any game. It would be easier to mod fps games into ones where you attack kids anyways.
Who says I’m worried?
Why? It sounds like haunting experience from what I’ve read
More like you’re just a run-of-the-mill moron.
