As a British lad, I’ve been keeping tabs on the news about this guy and the wide support he’s getting.
With so much support, surely the public will get him out of jail just to spite the bastard rich kids and their CEO baron fathers?
The Man who was shot allowed a massive corporation to dangle its strings over people’s lives, medication being pulled away which is horrifying to me who uses the NHS as my primary medical service for hearing.
What do you think? Will Luigi “The CEO Reaper” Mangione ever get out of prison?
Luigi Mangione is a random person who attacked corporate America. Therefore, he is utterly fucked. Whatever anyone does to help him, ultimately his fate is already sealed.
He did the math and decided that one moment of action was worth more to him than it cost. The rich of America need to see that vast wealth inequality leads to more and more people coming to the same conclusion. That’s why they will make sure he is sentenced to death, to let us know what the cost will be. But a life lived in misery is only worth so much, and death is the worst they can do.
The thing though, once a person make this decision, they no longer fear death
That person is very dangerous
Let the self sacrifice on display be a lesson to all of us, on this most blessed birthday of the person who (allegedly) gave their life for all of us.
The capitalists are in charge, but they are also utterly fucked.
The last thing you want to do with a spartacus-type enemy is to make them a martyr. They already fucked up by parading him around with those guards while he looks like the second coming of Christ. Nailing him to the cross is not going to solve any of their problems.
Politics aside. The court is not going to grant bail to anyone accused of first degree murder who is a flight risk. And given the current narrative seems to be that he shot a man in NYC and was found in another state. I’d say they’d consider him a flight risk.
The ruling class doesn’t want him martyred but they want him killed so very much.
My bets are he is given a life sentence with a groomed jury and he is extrajudicially executed in prison by an unknown agent.
Making bail is the least of his concerns in there. He will be lucky if he doesn’t get “Epstein’d”.
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His haircut and shave are signs the other prisoners are sending to the guards that this man is protected and not to fuck with him.
The only resource I can find about this phenomenon is a threads discussion about Luigi. You wouldn’t happen to have an alternate source, would you?
What?
Interesting piece on that. He might not be “protected,” but he was definitely given special treatment. Most prisoners hate the ruling class even more than the average person for obvious reasons, and even average people are cheering him on.
If his trial starts going his way, he definitely will.
We do have an wild tradition of suicide in this country when people are causing owner class problems
Last I read, he has not requested bail. They wouldn’t let him out, anyway, and he’s smart enough that he knows it–he attacked the ruling class and they want to make an example of him.
I think you mean to say he allegedly attacked the ruling class. That whole pesky innocent until proven guilty thing, it’s so irritating.
The has yet to prove their case, all we got so far is some vague suggestions of evidence and heavy media narrative weaving
I’m fairly certain they set his charges without bail. If so it means no amount of money would allow him out. (For the time until his court cases)
If I’m wrong about that, please let me know someone… Because that’s what I always thought without bail meant
on the wishful thinking side, biden pardons. also wishful: innocent until proven guilty, and that the evidence was planted.
but yeah, we will just have to wait on how the proceedings go. UHC has already flexed money in subduing luigi awareness merch.
They won’t have even decided if these are state or federal charges by the time Biden is out of office. And if he’s pardoned on the federal charges, the state can still charge him
I think he’s going to get state charges for murder, that would be the normal thing.
There is an open legal question about what happens if he has done something that could be a crime under both federal and state, because double jeopardy says he can’t be tried twice for the same crime. So if the feds brought charges and then he got pardoned, I don’t think the state can bring relatively identical charges, but apparently this is a question that legal scholars don’t know the answer to, and it would probably end up going to the appeals court if it were to happen.
Of course it’s not going to happen because Biden likes those rich assholes and the timing doesn’t really make sense anyway.
It’s not double jeopardy to be tried for the same crime in two jurisdictions.
good point about the separation of federal and state charges.
oh well, that’s how far that wishful thinking goes.
Unless I’m missing something, the charges have already been made and he’s given his plea. It’s federal charges (terrorism) and it’s my understanding that the state couldn’t then charge him over the same crime, only other crimes that were significantly different.
It’s both state and federal charges; the terrorism charge is a state one
I’m basing this 0on the video of his lawyer yesterday, saying that the state and feds are fighting over him like a football. Maybe it’s been resolved since then.
Wishful thinking would be if the killer struck again while Luigi was in jail.
good wishful thinking. very wishful enough!
Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years (who could have guessed) so I guess you’d have to hope his team of DNC operatives would pardon; which will not happen.
They’re mostly just pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks, while revoking student debt cancellation.
You know, pulling the mask off since nothing matters anymore.
pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks
He didn’t aim to pardon them specifically. They belonged to a class of offenses he pardoned. Just like he pardoned weed possessors. They were surely scumbags on that list as well.
Revoking student loan debt relief was the SCs fault, not Biden’s.
Thanks for the input. Yeah, DNC is just how DNC rolls.
Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years
All eight cylinders fired just fine when it came to pardoning his crackhead son.
The US is an oligarchy. Your worth as a human is directly tied to your monetary worth, starting at $1M. So no.
But, his family is worth over a 100 million
Deff owner class but the owner class calling the shots here tbh.
Luigi went straight for the king makers here
It would be a shame if a few people in NYC started posting signs on every corner with a brief description of jury nullification and a QR code with a link to explain it further until the trial is over.
Doubt it very much. Bail is for the rich. An example must be made.
You think the poor plebs have any power over the matter? This your first almost incitement of revolution that goes nowhere?
Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online
I was half asleep I read Luigi’s mansion.
Thank @samus12345@lem.ee who replied elsewhere:
https://toure.substack.com/p/new-reporting-luigis-hair-is-a-sign
Personally I would prefer that he get out of jail as soon as he is not considered a risk to society, since that is the only valid justification for prisons. Maybe months, probably years. And then he can consider the evilness and futility of his act.
And for all the people celebrating it here, you might consider your own hypocrisy and outright callousness at defending the indefensible. I still can’t quite get over my shock at the level of hatred and vituperation here. I thought this community would be better than that.
From a person who knew Luigi Mangione, just published in Unherd:
But while thousands reacted on social media with laughter emojis to Thompson’s murder, I was sickened. Vigilantism is always wrong. If you celebrate someone gunning down a defenceless person in the street, then you advocate for a world in which this is an acceptable thing for anyone to do. You advocate for a world in which a stranger can decide that you’re also a bad person, and gun you down in the street. In such a world, I promise you, your health insurance would cost much more.
Get off your high horse and shut the fuck up. Were you shocked when people celebrated Kissinger or Bin Laden dying or do you only get upset at corporate America?
You advocate for a world in which a stranger can decide that you’re also a bad person, and gun you down in the street. In such a world, I promise you, your health insurance
WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE AN UNQUALIFIED STRANGER CAN DECIDE YOU DON’T DESERVE MEDICAL TREATMENT. Healthcare CEOs kill people EVERY DAY but we should draw the line when it’s a gun and not a denial letter? Get the fuck out of here with that logic.
Go point your outage at the millions of innocent people who die every day from preventable disease. Or if that’s too abstract for you, how about the people getting bombed and starved in Palestine?
Palestine? Kissinger? Completely irrelevant. You are advocating first-degree murder. Look in the mirror and start there.
The bureaucratic plumbing of American healthcare? So fix it then! Vote. Send letters. Get more involved in politics. Protest. What have you done about the problem you seem so worked up about, apart from cheer on a murderer? What?
If speaking out against vigilante murderers is “being on a high horse”, that’s fine by me and I’ll stay there.
Goddamn, you are insufferable.You’re not speaking out against vigilante murderers, you’re pearl clutching that people dare to lack empathy for someone completely devoid of it.
The “victim” attacked first by denying the killer healthcare.
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Yes. How dare I have my own opinions and values that contradict yours?
Someone openly advocates murder and then talks of empathy. The hypocrisy is almost beyond words.
There you go again, deliberately misinterpreting to feel superior.
For sure, I feel morally superior to anyone who openly advocates murder. Not a high bar.
What a shame that your hand-wringing is causing second hand embarrassment for everyone who reads it.
A murder by policy and a murder by gunshot should be valued equally.
In a perfect world, someone with Brian’s insatiable, murderous greed disease would be put in a psychiatric hospital for public safety, along with every billionaire and hundred million plus inaire that treats society as their exploitation piggy bank, not that many people, but the sociopaths run the asylum here.
This is a class war, whether you choose to show your belly and say thank you for trading your life for their profit to your enemy or not. Brian was an enemy combatant of this class occupation.
The rich and the poor came to an agreement once upon a time, a social contract if you will. That contract was - You treat us with respect and pay us our worth, or we drag you into the street. The rich have broken that contract
The world you are advocating is a very dark place indeed. In historical terms, it’s France of 1794. A bloodbath that ended, as it always has in history, with a conservative backlash and a dictatorship. You talk in grandiose terms of the social contract but you seem not to know much about history.
I am not advocating for the world that we find ourselves in, which is a dark place. This is the first of many events that are going to happen due to the lack of care of the C suite that is robbing us at every chance and turning the legal system against everyone but themselves. This is a world of their making along with the consequences. Yes France was bloody due to the financial disparity between the rich and poor, all actions have consequences. The Americans also went through this with unions, where business interests murdered union reps and workers on strike, we came to a deal eventually but as always the deal was reneged. The social contract I “talk about in grandiose terms” was to keep us, rich and poor, from each others throats. It is in their hands what the population does, keep taking and not giving back, it will be taken from them.
When all other avenues fail, there is only one choice left. Most are not there yet, but more and more are getting to this point. Buckle up, it is going to be a rough ride.
all actions have consequences
Yes, they do - bad consequences for everyone. If you take the law into your own hands it always ends in tears. Either you’ll get a strongman who “alone can fix it”, or you’ll get some kind of revolutionary regime which tolerates no dissent and eventually collapses, hated by the very people it was supposed to represent. Every. Single. Time. There is no exception in history.
I am against extrajudicial cold-blooded killing, just as I am against the judicial variety (capital punishment). But this does not even need to be a moral argument: human history shows very clearly that vigilante justice is a dead end.
The only way forward is discussion, and compromise, and hard choices.
Well, there is a way out of this. They can stop the anger being rightly directed at them, but they won’t. The law is not in our hands, the law is not there to help us, and here we are.
BTW to be clear, I am not advocating violence. I am merely pointing out what many others see, we are reaching a breaking point and if compromise is not reached it will push past the point of no return leading to what you are so worried about. Which seems to be happening anyway with the far right starting to take power across the globe
You already (probably - assuming you are American) live in a dictatorship.
it’s France of 1794. A bloodbath that ended, as it always has in history, with a conservative backlash and a dictatorship.
It didn’t “end” with a dictatorship. Social change continued for a century, in which the people gained more and more power to the detriment of autocrats, until the establishment of today’s strong liberal democracy. The millennia-old institutions that opposed this change couldn’t be replaced in a day.
Indeed, the dictatorship was followed by a restoration of the monarchy. And, after a few more revolutions, some of them bloody, by various other forms of regime.
In parallel, other European countries (the UK most famously) skipped all the violence and ended up at roughly the same destination of “strong liberal democracy” as you put it. A handful of them are today even stronger liberal democracies than France, with even better social protections.
What a waste of blood.
Does the name Margaret Thatcher mean anything to you mate?
So the most based thing happened?
Asklemmy: what do CEO boots taste like? I’m sure they will see this post
Right. Because being against vigilantism must mean you love vigilante victims.
He is a husband and a father rheeeeee
No idea, I don’t know any CEOs. I’m disappointed you seem to think that a job title disqualifies someone from the right to life, the right not to be murdered.
- the person who thinks a job title qualifies someone for the right to murder
If you’re claiming this guy (a human being with a family, and friends, and children) “murdered” people, you are either delusional or (more likely) twisting logic to breaking point in order to justify your own advocacy of cold-blooded murder.
Just because there’s a few steps between your decision and someone’s death doesn’t mean your decision didn’t cause their death.
It’s murder if it’s against the law. If you think whatever the CEO did should be against the law, maybe you should work on that instead.
Morally it’s murder either way. Just because you found a legal loophole doesn’t make it not murder morally. There tons of actions that are legal but are morally reprehensible.
Better hope nobody starts making such complex calculations about you and deciding that it’s therefore time for you to be shot dead in the street.
The thing is, unlike that shithead CEO, I presume, neither of us have actually made decisions to kill masses of people so that we can make ourselves so rich that getting 100k every day for 30 years wouldn’t reach their wealth.
It’s not a complex calculation. He regularly traded other people’s lives for his own money.
it was never about a “job title”
That CEO killed his own customers for money.
Replace Thompson with Anwar and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.
Our celebratory reaction to Thompson being brought to justice isn’t going to lead to bad things. No, it’s the result of being on the losing end of the world we already inhabit.
Brought to justice? Is this the kind of “justice” you advocate for every transgression or are you making an exception for this one? Who decides what the penalties are? You? What if some other evil CEO committed some other nebulous “crime” but only a bit less serious, what would he deserve? Just a beating in the street? An hour in your personal torture dungeon?
In a civilized society we have institutions that dispense justice. They operate on the principle that a law must be broken first. If you don’t like the law, then you first need to get the law changed. You don’t get to decide unilaterally who gets punished how much and for what.
It’s like Justice Potter Stewart famously wrote about pornography: I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it. It was 100% warranted in this case.
With the small caveat that you are not a judge, either appointed or elected.
Neither is the President.
