• The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    It’s just plain weird to me that this isn’t seen as the lowest bar in the world, but I’m definitely still taking the W.

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      It’s not that it’s such a great act in itself, it’s no where near enough.

      But.
      This is a significant win as a large, profitable and respected company is seen to be doing something so insignificant and get such good marketing results. This is the best kind of encouragement we can give to the souless retail machine 😉 And yes… “We will sing your praises if you just follow basic laws” is a pretty low bar, but here we are 😄

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      7 days ago

      Sort of. These policies are really a mixed bag. A lot of fire departments in the 90’s were doing affirmative action things and wound up having to stop because it was getting people hurt and things were burning.

      Turns out if there’s a job that’s actually important, you should probably hire the best people for the job. Not the best “of certain demographic” that applied.

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    7 days ago

    what kind of cartoon world are we living in that i’m actually on the side of a corporation for once

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    Trying to Save Yourself from Discrimination Lawsuits is WOKE and BAD BUSINESS! REAL American Companies OPEN themselves UP to Discrimination Lawsuits WILLINGLY!

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    7 days ago

    Now lemmy is flooding me with corporate propaganda? Good on the company for doing the right thing, but when I see this same headline in multiple communities on here, it reminds me of reddit.

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      Is it propaganda, though? How about we celebrate the few nice things going for us and just enjoy it for a second. We should be praising this regardless of our ideals because the world is very far from ideal.

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        Yeah, it probably is propaganda. Costco has been doing some cartoonishly shitty union busting recently for which they received a ton of backlash. Now, suddenly, we’re all supposed to be on their side because they said “DEI is good”? IDK, it might just be me, but that rings a bit hollow from a company that has a long (and very recent) history of doing shit like “changing the locks on union bulletin boards so the reps can’t put up any notices”.

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    It’s DEI just Equal Opportunity with a fresh coat of paint so racists/misogynists don’t sound like boomers from the 90s when they complain about it?

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      Diversity, Equality, Inclusion.

      Yes, DEI is just the new name for “stop discriminating against non-white males”

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    7 days ago

    DEI is all about making money by using resources that being racist and dumb leaves on the table. The moment it becomes too expensive DEI won’t fix it.

    Id rather have DEI than not have it, but DEI is for company profit, any other benefits are secondary.

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      It’s a capitalist system. Everything a company does is about its bottom line. Especially a publicly-traded company, which has no legal choice in the matter.

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      I mean it sounds like DEI is about using the best talent available. Instead of narrowing your options. So DEI will become too expensive when the playing field is even.

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        Yes, that is my problem with it. DEI is about finding the best talent at the cheapest price point. This means if a man and a woman can do the same job. They will have them both do the same job but will not pay the women as much as the man.

        This is better than keeping the woman as a secretary instead of an engineer, but it isn’t helping anyone, it’s just underpaying women and other minorities.

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      DEI is all about making money by using resources that being racist and dumb leaves on the table

      No it isnt… it’s just a quota. If you have sources showing the financial gains aquired through DEI implementation, please share

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    DEI isn’t inclusive though, it’s inherently exclusive. It should be means tested so it benefits those who really need it.

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      DEI is about improving diversity and preventing racial bias in the hiring process (which very much exists because people are people). It’s not about helping poor people.

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          It’s about identifying and undoing existing discrimination. If you find no existing discrimination, then you don’t have to do anything.

          You seem very emotional on the topic. Have you convinced yourself that you lost a job because of DEI? I hate to break it to you, you lost that job because of you. No one is hiring quotas.

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        Regardless of its positive benefits, don’t kid yourself. Companies implement DEI because it keeps their workspace more fluid and open to staff turnovers, specially from international hires. Not only will more hires go into a company they see won’t have racial barriers for progression, but companies are less likely to have close-knit groups of locals unionizing to deal with when they make sure they aren’t the sort of groups that typically interconnect socially. The change in the job dynamic also feeds into the growth of the alt-right and the clashing of the social bubbles of those comprised by locals versus those comprised by immigrants. Take the Netherlands, a DEI success story with a population that is veering far to the right.

        DEI is good, but CEOs couldn’t care less. It’s good to keep this in mind when answering questions like “Are the jobs AI is automating by the dozen adding diversity, or are they going to enable companies to become more regressive to the whims and fancies of their CEOs?”

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          Yes. However your response still highlights the inclusivity of the program which is in direct opposition of

          DEI isn’t inclusive though, it’s inherently exclusive

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          companies are less likely to have close-knit groups of locals unionizing to deal with when they make sure they aren’t the sort of groups that typically interconnect socially. The change in the job dynamic also feeds into the growth of the alt-right and the clashing of the social bubbles of those comprised by locals versus those comprised by immigrants.

          Yeah, it’s kind of the elephant in the room. After working in a team with overwhelming number of immigrants, I kind of see why many locals would feel alienated. Never mind bemoaning about “diluting culture” (what culture doesn’t evolve?), but job dynamics as you say changes for the worse. Many immigrants I know don’t really question the low pay in spite of the rising inflation. Many want to even work seven days straight if they could. It’s because many immigrants typically come from hierarchical, conservative and collectivist culture, where social validation and approval from seniors is more valued. This causes employers and government not to feel pressure to increase wages. This causes to weaken the power of unions.

          Also, not all countries have affirmative action/DEI policies. Where I live, it’s not mandatory but it’s good practice for most companies to do so to avoid litigation and bad PR. However, the company I worked don’t actively pursue it and my former line manager, a Somali, overwhelmingly hire other Somalis. Another team has a Romanian team leader but also seem to favour fellow Romanian for job positions. I don’t believe this is done intentionally, but the thing is not all countries have the same education and culture, and my Somali and Romanian managers probably would not have been taught about unconscious biases.

          That being said, it’s more important that there is mutual understanding and similar mindset than where the person is from. An Egyptian born and raised in US would likely agree with local citizens than with fresh off the boat immigrants.

    • Emerald@lemmy.world
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      Why do right wingers use lemmy? Genuine question… why here of all places?

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          You know we can see your comment history, right?

          You may not like Trump or Elon, but your views are as regressively right-wing as you can get.

          Your comment history is such a fascinating car wreck of incredibly regressive views that I had to stop reading or I would be getting screenshots all day.

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      Is spelling and grammar important in your meritocracy? Because your English sucks troll. Signed, a brown person.

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      Why do we need competitiveness among minorities when they’re already at a disadvantage? The competitiveness should be equal between minorities and majorities, otherwise it’s not a meritocracy, it’s just oppression.

      Edit to add: the disadvantage I’m referring to is bigoted hiring practices that are well documented, and a history of oppression.

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              It’s astonishing how much BS racists are willing to accept, just because it validates their worldview. Watch, next they’ll be going on about how DEI policies are ackchyually racist against white people because blah blah blah willful ignorance.

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                  Aww man… it hurts a little to see how far standards have fallen. You’re better than this. Doubling down on obvious bait with obvious bait doesn’t mean you’re not taking it nor are you cleverly subverting any expectations by just… doing what the intial comment said you’d do. Right now you just look like a sad NPC, and you should really have a little more self respect because you do show some potential.

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      Hey Ivan, enlist in the Russian infantry and join your comrades on the front. Don’t worry, the NATO tungsten will be there to greet your worthless ass.