I’m all for services making a reasonable profit and being able to fund new shows and such endeavors…
But we’re rapidly getting into an environment of “soaking viewers for all we can get out of them” simply to feed the fucking shareholders ever larger payouts.
Thank you Milton Friedman. 🖕
🙄 🤡 🖕
I’m amazed that ads are so effective that they can make more cramming unwanted video in my face than just asking me for a couple bucks.
No one wants to pay money for the services they’re using. Ads is the way to go.
Nobody wants to pay for all the little individual piecemeal services and shit, because it’s wildly expensive and inconvenient, and because they keep adding ads to the paid stuff anyway because greed, so what benefit is there to paying?
Except that you’re completely wrong.
lol ok, sure.
In what way? Give examples plz.
Netflix user base grows by tens of millions each year and their ad supported plan is the most favourite. And their growth is slowly turning into exponential.
I don’t see how that refutes what I said about why people don’t want to pay for it…?
Very eloquent point
you just need to keep a shit list of brands that are now dead to you.
I have a dwindling list of brands that are not yet dead to me.
A good rule of thumb is that if you have heard of a brand but don’t remember anything positive about them they should probably be dead to you.
The only brand I can think of that is truly not evil is valve, and that’s all cause of Gabe.
All of them.
exactly, if you want to be an ethical consumer you’d need to be a hermit.
Hermit here, can confirm.
they already make significantly more profits off of each ad-tier sub than they do the ad-free… yet it still isn’t enough. greedy fucking bastards.
How is showing me ads for things I will make a point not to buy because I implicitly hate the products of people showing me ads more profitable than the twenty fucking bucks a month I already give them?
Imagine if all that misallocated marketing budget got used to develop better products instead.
And imagine if products that couldn’t get by on their own merits without ads wouldn’t exist at all. How much more productive and happy our society would be if we got rid of useless products and the negative feelings ads induce when we don’t have those useless products at the same time.
Just imagine that your personal anecdote is not representative of human behaviour. The biggest lie and a myth is “I will pay more not to see ads”. No, you won’t.
YAHAR!!! HOIST THE MAIN SAILS!!!
ahoy!
Implying there’s anything worth pirating on Netflix these days.
I liked Kaos. Of course, it only got one season.
Too good for Netflix
Really enjoyed One Piece live action
The seas are truly splendid. I can only but pity the landlubbers.
They want the old cable tv days back, but worse
It’s quite something how they’re trying to force the Internet to work as an artificial version of things we already have, instead of using it for the unique purposes which it can actually fulfill.
Youtube is also trying to be more like TV. Apparently, TV wasn’t bad enough.
Nice thing is it can’t come back. There are too many other sources of entertainment and information to make one feel like one is missing out by simply opting out.
This gem might need an update.
I’m kinda proud of myself, that I skipped Netflix and never took off my pirate hat.
I never took off my pirates hat but I have had a netflix account for about a year…
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It wasn’t my account. One of my kids friends signed in to their profile on my TV so I used it every now and again until the password sharing option was taken away.
Stremio plus real debrid for the win…
“[Netflix] members pay as much attention to midroll ads as they do to the shows and movies themselves,” Amy Reinhard, president of advertising at Netflix, said, per the publication.
Amy, I want you to be honest with me, are you an alien.
Because on planet Earth we do not, if fact, pay as much attention to the ads as to the things we’re actually interested in. Famously our brains even produce this fascinating effect to spare us from the bullshit you’re shoving into our eyeballs.
I’m just waiting for it to be like that Black Mirror episode where ads came on, the guy closed his eyes, and alarms went off until he opened them again.
The bad thing about those kind of shows, is that while most people see that as a warning, and something to avoid.
Some people immediately start charting a path to how to make it a reality, and sometimes those people are very very smart and can chart a path that might take decades.
I say this while on the toilet, writing on a device that has cameras both front and back, always on microphones and location sensors, and facial recognition and 3D scanning equipment.
When the personalized condom ads start popping up, I will only be slightly annoyed.
i think in netflix’s case, they might actually be paying as much attention to the ads as they do the shows, which is to say none at all
This is exactly how I interpreted that statement. No one is paying attention, who cares if they slip some garbage ads in?
“People watch ads,” says the one selling ads.
They show me an ad, and they are out. It is that simple. Luckily, my life does not depend on streaming.
Haha, already there. I canceled my Netflix a year ago or so after the amount of cheap self produced stuff got too much and they removed more and more older quality content.
Now, whenever I want to stream I sign up for a single streaming service for a month or two - but the time where I was just subscribed all the time is over.
Ah one reason also was the sharing crackdown, I had kept the subscription long term as my kids used it when they were at my place or my ex-wife’s. Nowadays it doesn’t work anymore as (for example) the TV my son has at the ex-wife’s place never is connected via my internet.
With added commercials, less quality etc streaming got less attractive. Hey, nowadays I regularly go to movie theaters, again.
And if things get worse, somewhere I still have my captain’s hat and the wooden leg for sailing the seven seas…
Yarrr
The only limitation on sailing the high seas is that the video and sound quality are not as great as legit streaming. You get descriptions that claim it is ripped full 4k or HD, but when actually looking at the encoding, it is not the case. But what can we do? If we are being made to stream in shit, it is better to sail in blue ocean high seas.
I hear a whisper in the wind about file size being a distinct though not foolproof hint of quality.
I definitely look at the file size first. Although, as you already alluded to, sometimes it gets cheated with the resolution being cropped to either the top or side. And a major issue with downloading large file sizes is if you are unlucky enough that there aren’t many seeders.
You are aware that Netflix et.al. put compression on their streams (usually quite a bit in regards to bitrate) ? It is often the case that BluRay rips etc. are available better on the high seas…
But even so, Netflix still retain good sound quality compared to alternative sources.
That’s why you do several magnets, to be sure, and discard the ones that are bullshit, if you’re worried about that. Haven’t had any problems myself, other than theater cam for the newest new movies.
atmos and even dts x content are very findable and vlc has the codec information in the tool menu
have a 5.1.4 system hooked up by hdmi to the igpu and the video to the gpu and it sounds just like the theater but be sure to check what is available for the content you are searching because it might not exist
for example Harry Potter just got rereleased on dts x and the news was on the official dts site but also check blu-ray.com to see what formats exists
the green for atmos comes on and the amber for dts does too as well as the white for dolby digital but again vlc confirms this too in the codec information and atmos for home theater will do for dolby digital too
be prepared for enormous file sizes but so worth it and you will have to use the atmos for home theater or the dts x for home theater under the windows spatial sound settings per the content and yes switch back and forth
I don’t give a fock about quality, I’m watching for the plot
Between that, price hike, and some weirdly low quality content because you don’t use this or that browser, netflix really wants people to stop their subscriptions it seems.
High seas baby!
There is surely a recognisable pattern here in which people leave because of this shit and to keep the flow of money going up they then have to further reduce quality by increasing ads.
I deleted my facebook a few weeks ago and signing in for the first time in years gave a look at what it became and it was unrecognisable.
Yup, I’m finishing off a couple shows and it’s on the chopping block. Easy choice
Netflix is the worst of the streaming channels these days.
99% of people won’t care besides passive complaining at the water cooler, unfortunately
i just subscribe to the netflix tier that serves all streams as torrents
94 million people decided $10 a month savings was worth watching ads rather than doing without. Fuck em. They are the reason many things only have an ad supported tier. Pay for stuff or pirate it, but don’t use ad supported tiers when you have a choice.
I paid for the ad tier of disneyplus and use an adblocker. Seems to work well so far.
I will call that a grey area. You still count on the roles as a sub of the ad tier. And probably in all the data it assumes you saw the ads. So it helps perpetuate the problem. But if enough people do it, it will reduce whar advertisers pay, which might reduce the problem.
Yeah idk. I don’t want to support this but I also don’t want to spend anymore than the minimum on streaming. I plan to unsubscribe after finishing Andor anyway.
I guess you could spend time to help make it easier for others to block ads, or straight up help them. That could tip the balance into doing more to fight it than to support it. Or just learn to straight up pirate. Then you are 100% on the fighting it side.
This is straight up victim blaming.
By what leap of logic do you come to that conclusion. We are talking about entertainment here. Not housing or food. Doing without is an option, and there is plenty of competition to use instead.
People rail against the rich for caring only about money. But when they make thier own decisions, they do the same. Money first. You pay for ADs with your time first. Then you pay again when ever you buy anything, because advertising whether you saw it or not is part of the price of everything. Paying for your time back alone, would be worth the price. But people put money first. And we all lose. Well except the wealthy.So you’re angry that the poor are choosing the cheap option (🤔) because it helps the wealthy win? You’re righteously indignant because they ignored that “Doing without is an option” and decided to spend some entertainment dollars in a way of their own choosing?
Ok, but I don’t really find that very convincing.
Let’s be real. Do you really believe it’s the poor paying money for an ad supported tier? I don’t. And if you really do, fine. I’ll give the poor a pass if it will allow us to focus on the real problem. People who could afford to pay the full price, but are always chasing deals. It’s also why amazon day exists. Yeah that day. When they raise the price so they can take 30% off and still be charging more than they were before. And then sell out in an hour. It’s why airlines that don’t charge absurd fees can’t compete. A large block of people always chase the lowest price.
I just think it doesn’t matter. We live in an economy designed to suck every possible penny from every person and pay them the least amount it possibly can, to ensure the enrichment of the 1%
Someone wants to keep a few more bucks in their pocket rather than spend more in some principled stance that will change absolutely nothing anyhow, I’m not going to judge them for it. Life fucking sucks for just about everyone in the US right now, to varying degrees. On the list of things I might judge my fellow man for, that seems ludicrously privileged and self centered.
You don’t get to decide who is poor enough for it to be “OK” for them to buy the cheap tier. I mean, sure, you do get to have that opinion of course, but man I’m sorry I think you are really kind of a jerk to have this attitude.
Poor enough in this context is on the spender not me. If they are doing the ad tier because they feel they can’t afford it otherwise, fine. I have no qualms with them. It’s the hypocrites that rail against the rich for thier money grubbing actions and then turn around and support the ad tier so that they can build wealth themselves that are the problem. You seem to be working harder and harder to make me fit your initial opinion of me rather than letting it go and reform it on new information. If that makes you feel better in your day, glad I could help.
I don’t feel it’s substantially changed, you’ve just added more detail. You don’t need to care about my opinion though, and I’m not suggesting you should; I’m just sharing how I see it.
If I pay for a service and get ads, that service is dead to me forever.
But you’re only getting ads if you choose to get them. What’s your problem exactly?
Always sad watching people complain about ads on free streaming sites which can be easily blocked with an adblocker while defending their subscription to netflix.
It really puts into perspective how ‘intelligent’ the average consumer is and how seriously their input should be taken, though.
Since when is Netflix free?
As the old saying goes: Don’t feed the trolls.
Replying as if half the comment doesn’t exist and putting the word intelligent in quotes is a classic antagonizing move by trolls to make people try to engage them.
Huh?? If a streaming site (or any product for that matter) is free, the user is the product - be it their time, personal info, whatever. It is known and accepted that a “free” service will have a catch that allows the provider to make money.
If a user PAYS for a service it is expected that the payment is enough remuneration for there to be no strings attached. Of course companies will look for shitty ways to do shitty things to make more money, and those companies ought to be punished, generally by a reduction in customers, for their shitty behaviour.
If a streaming site (or any product for that matter) is free, the user is the product
Not necessarily. This is rhetoric peddled by useful idiots to justify spending money on things they could be getting for free.
Companies have a way easier time harvesting and selling your data when you give them your credit card info.
But good job defending corporate abuse with a “saying.” You’re not a useful idiot.
They said if they PAY to use… and get ads. They are right, I ditched tv for streaming because less ads. Now they want to go full circle? I feel like I can’t even open up the fridge these days without having some agenda or ad start.
I’ve gone back to books.
Spent waaay too much on a single volume illustrated edition of all the Earthsea books. My weekend is going to be lit.
Oh shit….I need to go get that!
(Speaking of books …. time to go see if that fancy hardback edition of Cibola**Burn is ever going to get released.
edit: it’s not coming out any time soon 😤
I’ve just been thinking of going back to Earthsea!
Ooh everyone look at Mr smarty pants over here being all literate.
No they won’t 🏴☠️
Rejecting Netflix fixes things for you and me, but the article says Netflix has 93 million ad-supported subscribers. I’m really worried about the amount of influence advertisers have on our society, and it’s only getting worse. Even if you and I can be above the direct influence of these ads, many people are not, and those people are influencing you and me. This produces a dangerous secondary influence that can reach most of society, and just fills everyone’s mind with lies, for hardly any cost.
Eh, people are dumb as bricks. If it’s not ads it’s some fake news, social media nonsense, ai bullshit. It’s really pointless to worry about. You can either accept that you are sharing the planet with Trump voters and suckers who fell for NFTs or you will just go crazy.
No different than the decades of ad supported broadcast television.
Terrible argument. You can’t ignore scale. Algorithmic timelines increase efficacy and precision of ads tremendously. These platforms know exactly who to target with what ad, at what time, with what frequency to get the desired result. It’s like comparing a horse and buggy to a sports car.
Generative ads will be even worse because they can be made specifically to each individual.
Yes, that bit is terrifying
Oh im not defending it. Just saying we’ve been well-fed geese for a very long time now. It has just changed from cramming us full of the Tootsie Pop Owl and the Doublemint Twins with a chaser of Sears Christmas Catalog to a succotash of targeted ads.
Except I didn’t pay a monthly fee for over the air TV. The Jeffersons didn’t cost 4.99 a month
Yeah this part is truly infuriating
YoHoHo Arrrrghhhhhh!!!
They will. We just won’t see them when we watch their shows.
“[Netflix] members pay as much attention to midroll ads as they do to the shows and movies themselves,” Amy Reinhard, president of advertising at Netflix, said, per the publication.
In terms of attention, she’s either lying or admitting that members barely pay attention to their content.
They have told writers to dumb things down and have the characters speak aloud what they’re doing because so many people doom scroll while it’s on in the background.
There not making quality. They’re making elevator music for your home.
She is exactly admitting members barely pay attention. It’s a pretty widely known issue in the screenwriting community. Netflix in particular wants more “second screen scripts.” Meaning they need shows that constantly remind you of what’s happening, have tons of expository dialogue—constantly—and that leans hard into the shallow end of story. Because they’re assuming you’re not watching and are on your phone.
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Either they have great technology, or they have great entertainment,” she said. “Our superpower has always been the fact that we have both.
Please. Your software is an image carousel and a video player.
Jellyfin does all that and more.
We’re no longer in the days of competing with a USB stick and hoping the TV will play whatever format it’s in, or using VLC and a laptop.
They don’t even show you ratings for the stuff, because they want you to waste your time watching the junk tier shit they can still afford.
Eh to Netflix’s credit, both their backend and frontend are much better than their competition. Much better ux, and streams much more consistently. We pick up a sub for a month here and there. But AI ads will make me never go back.
Lemmy is the king of the disingenuous argument, as though somehow admitting that yes, Netflix is the gold standard for pay-to-stream, it somehow dilutes the argument against AI ads.
…it somehow dilutes the argument against AI ads.
I didn’t think it diluted the arguement. They were just disagreeing with the prior poster. At the end, they even state:
But AI ads will make me never go back.
Yeah, I was agreeing with the person I responded to, and my comment related to the person they were responding to. Obviously this format can leave that a little unclear. Basically, two comments up from mine was this disingenuous argument that Netflix is trash, and that’s just wrong, but it’s an argument I see used about any number of things here on Lemmy, and to me, it dilutes the argument, because you’re clearly coming from this place of bias right out of the gate.
I just think it’s okay to say a product itself provides a good service, but that they’re fucking it all up by injecting shit into it, to the point that, regardless of how quality the product may be, the injected shit is so repugnant that I would abandon this quality product for it.
Sorry, misunderstood.
It’s a me problem, I think I tend to write how I speak, and I just expect everyone to get on board.
Didn’t you know?
When a company or person does something shitty then all their other products/works are trash anyway and no one ever actually liked them.
Their software is the best in the industry. Even on a gigabit connection I’ve had issues with both Amazon Prime video and Disney plus.
Both of those platforms have issues where their servers just seem to get bored and stops sending data, like they just forgot about you And you have to refresh the page to play any more of the video. As soon as you do that it starts playing again so it’s definitely not a network issue. I’ve had this problem on both the website and the smart TV app.
