I am just going to wait until the prices go down in the fall and there is still plenty left and then buy a PC instead.
You had me in the first half, ngl
Build a PC
Install Linux
Fuck corporate bullshit.
Build a pc.
Install linux.
Get confused by linux.
What the fuck does linux want from me???
Rip hair out.
Be bald.
People confuse you for skinhead.
Wear wig.
Wig blows off on sunny windy day.
Lose wig.
Be sad.
This is absurd. Where’s the step to grow a beard and become a hobbit?
Step 0
Use rats as wig
“Honey, don’t look”
I agree for the most part but it really does “just work” for gaming. If you use Chimera or Bazzite it works almost just like a console.
No…no it doesn’t. Ask me how I know.
Yes…Yes it does. Ask me how I know. Actually I’ll just tell you: I use it every day.
It doesn’t for everybody. What is so hard to grasp about the fact that your experience isn’t a general truth?
You install the same OS, you get the same experience. That’s what’s hard for me to understand.
Then think about it this way:
You install the same os, you don’t get the same experience.
That’s it. Like really simple.
Edit: The underlying hardware has a effect on the behavior of the os. If hardware differs, the experience differs.
You install the same OS, you get the same experience.
If only…
That’d be cool if that was true… But I installed nobara on my brand new PC and kingdom come crashed when I fast traveled, Hades 2 ran at like 20 fps, and dragons dogma just wouldn’t launch. I get Linux is cool and all but I don’t have time to troubleshoot every game I install anymore…
Not quite “just works” but I’d be willing to bet that your computer defaulted to the iGPU instead of your dGPU because you didn’t specify as such in your launch options
I’d be willing to get those games run fine on a console and in Windows with no extra steps.
It is true. I specifically mentioned Chimera and Bazzite. The experience is totally different with those. Also if you have an Nvidia GPU, you’re probably going to have a bad time regardless. Left that bit out. But I solved that problem by switching to AMD.
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How do you know? Are you some kind of wizard?
I am indeed. I’m actually pretty proficient with OSX and Linux…but fuck me…getting games to run is a whole new level of hell. I fucked around with it for a day or two trying to get my gaming laptop to run steam games in Ubuntu…wasn’t worth it.
- What games? That’s a VERY big part of this whole process.
- What are the laptop specs? The hardware is also a massive part of it.
Huh. I use Arch (obligatory btw) and iirc I just installed steam and it worked. 4th gen i5 with an rx 480 and things like Elite Dangerous run fine, the problem starts with UE5 but that’s a hardware issue.
Linux is easy.
Not compared to using a console.
Consoles are easy, and I love my PS5 for chilling and playing games, and I love my Linux PC for its power and freedom from corporate bullshit.
So? Fisher price makes some good toys if you want something easy to play with.
Same to your “Linux is easy” comment then.
I’m talking about an operating system, not a toy. Playstation is a toy, like a tonka truck, or a tricycle. Your rebuttal is bad.
Sometimes people want to play with a toy and not scream at their OS because of… millions of possible reasons.
Cool, but you’re in a gaming community in a post about the Playstation, so I’m not really sure why you’re talking about operating systems and behaving like this when someone talks about the console the post is about.
You are the reason why people think Linux fans are obnoxious twats.
Wait till you realize PlayStation is just Free BSD. 😏
Streaming with Sunshine 🌞 and Moonlight 🌙 is really spiffy too.
Playing games on my deck in bed with the power of my beefy PC 🧠🤯.
Plugging my Steam Library Micro SD Card from my deck <=> PC is as easy as a using Switch™ carts.
That you don’t have admin access to. Good for not fucking it up, bad for freedom.
I’d easily make the trade of linux standard being impossible to fuck up without rooting it, if it meant it became as easy to run as a commercial OS.
You just described Android.
Might be based on FreeBSD, but much in the same way as Android is based on Linux, it doesn’t provide you any of the freedoms that a typical Linux distro does.
I love Linux. I’ve moved both my PC and laptop to Linux this year and gotten rid of Windows completely and I’m loving it. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed doesn’t get enough love.
That being said… Linux is not easy guys. This guy is full of shit. But I would still recommend trying it if you’re an enthusiast with this sort of inclination.
Like anything, it’s easy once you know how it works. Knowing how Linux works only takes several years.
Show me your hair.
It can be. But people don’t usually read instructions or ReadMEs or Docs first?
I will never understand why not. Did you know:
National average Proficient 34% Basic 65%That is totes a big ooof and explains a lot about many people. @.@
If I had to read documentation first, I wouldn’t be using Linux. We write software so we can automate things, so we should be able to automate away most of the troublesome parts until we’re just left with a useful device that does its job.
It really explains why assembly instructions are mostly useless pictures now.
Well, that also saves money on localization costs, when you’re selling to people across many different languages.
May I introduce you to republicans, and the bible belt?
And Windows is hard
You forgot the part where you get angry, because your hdmi doesnt work with linux
Bazzite is the answer you search for. Learn the terminal & eventually get a grasp on why atomic distros are cool and you’ll be okay. I was on windows for years & when I learned the terminal for that it was like I was giving God powers.
The only thing I’m trying to install linux on is my Raspberry Pi. Upon googling Bazzite, it doesn’t seem to support Raspberry Pi.
Also, I’ve been trying to learn terminal off and on for 15ish years, with no luck. I’ve been trying to get the fan to work, unsucsessfully on my raspberry pi, for 4 years now. Apperently I have to compile some code…I don’t know what that means…
the benefits of Bazzite are centred around it having good performance with nVidia / AMD / Intel GPUs.
RasPi doesnt work with those GPUs, so it makes sense Bazzite wouldn’t support it.
Compiling means that you take code then run that code trough a program that checks if the code works like intended. After that it will put out a binary/exe/whatever that you can work with further.
From wiki:
In computing, a compiler is a computer program that translates computer code written in one programming language into another language. The name “compiler” is primarily used for programs that translate source code from a high-level programming language to a low-level programming language to create an executable program. There are many different types of compilers which produce output in different useful forms.
And I have no idea what that means.
How do you reboot? You click start>power>reboot.
I know what that means.
Ask me to compile a script? Uhhhhh…
Open terminal > cd (command to change directory) into the directory where the code is that you want to compile > then run the compiler
In rust I would CD into the directory that I have written my code in. Let’s say user/rust/projects/example1 with the command:
cd user/rust/projects/example1
Now every command I type will be executed on that directory. The tool I use is called “cargo” the command to compile is “build”.
So with that information I type:
cargo build
While being in user/rust/projects/example1 and when I did everything right my Programm will compile and the result of that can be found in a folder in that project. Something like:
user/rust/projects/example1/build/prod
Hope that helps to give a overview of how the process is supposed to go when everything works without a problem.
The code is your ingredients, you put the ingredients together, then bake it (compile). When it’s done you have a pie (a program you can execute and run).
A lot of people would rather just go to a store and buy a pie.
What the fuck are you on about? I just build a Raspberry Pi based console running RetroPie with a custom cooler, fan, and power button with LED indicator. Check out my recent posts to 3D printing.
I compiled nothing but RetroPie since the Pi 5 isn’t officially supported but it was dirt simple to do. Install Raspbian, clone RetroPie repo, run install script, press enter on the first option, wait a few hours.
Once again, you just suck at computing. Especially if after 15 years you still can’t Bash. In 15 years I built a career as a senior linux engineer.
The Super Notendo – https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22628904
I just taught myself parametric CAD including both solid body and surface modeling in 3 months.
So you’re stating on this post that you understand coding, and know how to compile. You’re trying to “insult” me by saying I suck at computing.
Except I’m not insulted. You know who else sucks at it? EVERYBODY. It’s like an auto mechanic trying to insult you for knowing how to change a muffler, and how it’s so easy.
I don’t know how to change a muffler. I just want to drive the car. Just like everybody else.
I just want to push a button, have my fan work, and play retro games. I don’t want to have to bash in terminal. I don’t want to compile a program. I just want to play video games.
And you know who else just wants it to work with no programming knowledge needed? EVERYBODY.
THAT is the reason that after 30+ years linux is at an all time high user base with less than 5% of the market, despite Apple being expensive as hell in a tough ecconomy, and Windows being universally agreed on as being dog shit. People STILL don’t want to switch to linjx because NOBODY understands it or wants to deal with it.
They’d rather deal with Windows 11 spying on your screen, or paying an assload for a mac than deal with linux.
Some of us like linux and want to deal with it…
Boy that’s a lot of work just to play some old crap from more than 30 years ago
I made a fucking console from the ground up. I didn’t do it to be easy – I did it because I could, and now I have something unique that is amazing to use, gorgeous to look at, runs everything up to Dreamcast/Dolphin with ease. And anyone can do it with the STLs I give away.
It even supports bluetooth audio but I will admit getting that to work was the only pain point of the whole build, but mostly because my un-official build didn’t have bluetooth support out of the box for audio so I needed to install the pipewire service and enable audio to the bluetooth device. Still only took a few minutes to work out.
Worst case scenario you can take it apart & put it back together to maybe find a defective part. Terminal is tricky because of the language barrier. It’s all just coding with extra steps which isn’t meant to dumb it down.
Yeah, and I don’t know coding. I need it dumbed down.
to be fair, the Raspberry Pi has never been pitched as an idiot-proof consumer appliance.
it is supposed to be a cheap way for people to get into studying programming /computing / electronics.
Correction…it’s never been pitched that way by the makers of raspberry pi.
I first learned of it on youtube by some guy showing how easy it was to set up, and get your home arcade up and running in 30 minutes.
Yeeeeaaaahhhh…no.
PS5 pro is a waste of money, but also lots of people don’t want a PC to play games. Two things can be true at the same time!
Yep.
I’m a die hard Linux nerd, but I would still Rather have a console.
But what I really want is a console that just runs Linux so I can keep it updated and fix minor issues without all the bullshit.
i’d argue that a console running linux would be a PC, even if it’s plugged into your living room tv
I’d argue the replaceable parts and software are what defines a PC for the vast majority of users. Small subsets of users may chase FPS or the highest quality render. But, the vast majority spend more today to spend less long term and want to be in control of their software and hardware.
I would argue that a PC without a keyboard, dedicated to gaming is a console.
Was the PS3 fat a PC? It ran Linux.
i’d differentiate it by the kind of it’s ui. linux will still feel like a desktop operating system, made for mouse and keyboard, whereas the console has a controller friendly interface. probably not much of an issue if you boot into steam directly through.
genuinely curious, is there any linux DE that is optimised for being connected to a tv and controlled by remote/gamepad from the couch?
There’s a few retro distros but I’m no expert.
But what I really want is a console that just runs Linux
Steam Deck
Or if you want something more turnkey, a Steam Deck. Want more flexibility? Put Bazzite on it.
Been building since 2003.
On Linux since 2018. Currently on Bazzite.
On meh 7950x X Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX and NVME 4.0 drive. 240hz 4k on Display Port.
Who would wanna play on cruddy console hardware lol. Based. Ironically I use a DualSense Edge.
Also have an OG and OLED Steam Deck.
I am spoiled by living near a Micro Center.
Tho the 9800X3D may launch as soon as next month for people wanting to wait.
How’s the dualsense running on Linux? I opted for Xbox elite purely because I thought it’d have better support for the back pads but still not over bluetooth :-(.
Dualsense and DS4 have official drivers from Sony
I’m aware but last I checked the adaptive triggers and some haptic were unsupported. Was asking if that’s supported now or not.
S.N. not sure why you’re being downvoted.
Does Meh have good deals again? I used to check that daily but the last few years it seems like its been nothing but cheap chinese garbage.
I only go when fire sales are on.
I got my combo deal 7950x for cheap cheap when the 7800X3Ds launched. They were giving away free Ram with purchase at the time with them as well.
I once wrote a quick little scrapper that ran at midnight and would email me the listing. I think I’ll have to re-write it if there’s some sweet deals on hardware. Im still using my 10 year old 4k display i got for stupid cheap.
Who is making all those pc parts? It wouldn’t be corporations would it.
You’re still beholden to the hardware manufacturers whether you buy a PC or a shitty console but at least with a PC you have choices and you’re spreading your corporate money out to those you feel worth it instead of motherfucking freedom-hating Sony.
Fair point.
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A quick look on eBay suggests the only people buying them seen are scalpers.
Hope they all get fucked on this one.
It’s already at scalper prices, the fuck are they going to sell it for? Lol.
This is a bit off topic, but it made me nostalgic. My first argument on reddit over a decade ago was with someone, either a scalper or a contrarian, trying to argue that scalpers provided a useful service that made things more fair, rather than assholes creating scarcity so they could profit selling a solution to a problem they themselves create.
So yeah, I hope they all get fucked on this one, too.
Oh they all say this shit, must be included in the standard issue dickhead guide book
This is why I like seeing new tech with a high launch price. Even if I want one, I’m patient, and it would be worth seeing a bunch of scalpers get fucked from just assuming that initial demand will set the price even higher.
I hope they thought they had to wait in an uncomfortable line to grab the ones they got and that the store only offers exchanges and no refunds.
Be nice if it actually came down in price eventually though.
Oh yeah, not just for others who want it but also to cause max pain to scalpers when others can get what they want to sell for cheaper than the scalpers paid for it in the first place. If the price stays the same, there’s a good chance the scalpers will be able to at least cut their losses by selling at a slight discount (or even at par if they find the right location for a “you could have this in your hands right now instead of having to go to the store” kinda deal).
- Negligible performance/visual increases.
- Expensive
- PS5 still has NO GAMES
If you buy this thing, congratulations! You are an idiot!
uh what are you even talking about?? It has block-buster console sellers like Concord
Astro Bot.
Bugsnax. mfs dont know what they’re talking about smh my head.
We talkin’ ‘bout Bugsnax?
Best psychological horror game in years.
Not quite. You’re forgetting about BattleToads
It’s not console exclusive, though
And no drive, so it’s not like it only does movies
I can’t wait to buy movies from Sony only to have them invalidated a few years from now.
C’mon, PS5 has great PS4 games, like Horizon, God of War, The Last of Us, …
Tap for spoiler
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Hey now there’s like 2 games.
Not enough to make me buy a PS5 but still
Sony is so out of touch it’s actually insane.
I think everyone should ditch consoles too, but I don’t understand the “no games” comment, I’ve played through Elden Ring, Returnal, Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 7…
There are clearly games for it, what gives?
There are only like 2 or 3 games that can only be played on a PS5 and nowhere else. Exclusives are one of, if not the most important part of getting a console, IMO. Like, why would I get this specific console if I could get any console or a PC and play the same games? I’m either going to get what’s cheapest or go full bells and whistles and build a beefy PC.
Most of the PS5’s exclusive games are actually just PS4 games and don’t even have the enhancement features offered by the PS5’s hardware. If you have a PS4, there’s really no reason to upgrade to a PS5 unless you really wanna play the Demon Souls remaster or Astro Bot. Out of all the games you mentioned, only GT7 (and Retrograde tho I don’t know if that is timed or completely exclusive; they pulled some fucky-wucky with that one) is exclusive. All the others are multiplatform.
That’s also why the PS5 Pro is just dumb. There’s not much taking advantage of the current hardware, and they wanna sell you more hardware to go underutilized ?
All that stuff about exclusive games just sounds like sunk cost fallacy. I don’t understand how a consumer benefits in any way from exclusive titles, or how a consumer is harmed from having access to multiplatform games.
If someone gets a PS5 for a PS5 exclusive game, why wouldn’t they want the option to play other games on there as well?
I do ultimately agree with you though, the PS5 Pro is dumb - and neither the regular PS5 nor any Xbox seems worthwhile compared to PC gaming
It’s gotta have some reason to buy it. If it’s not the price, and it’s not the power, it’s the library. Sunk costs don’t even come into play for someone who is looking to get a game machine trying to decide what to buy.
A 700 dollar console with no games.
There are a lot of great games for the PS, though.
But it has ray tracing and 8k graphics or someshit. How amazing.
isn’t it the graphical equivalent to an rtx2070 or something?
That’s already halfway through it’s lifecycle
Did people get bitchy on the internet when they released the PS One, the PS2 slim, 5 generations of PS3, or the PS4 Pro? Or the Xbox One X, Xbox 360 E, the Switch OLED, 2DS, DS lite, Gameboy Advance SP, Sega Genesis 2, Sega Genesis 3, Sega Saturn 2? I certainly don’t remember this much discourse back then. It’s like every gamer on the internet has collective amnesia about mid generation refreshes and how they have existed since the dawn of console gaming.
Just as always - it’s probably not meant for you if you’re perfectly happy with your base model.
And just like all those multitude of prior examples - no, they certainly will not release games that ONLY work on the mid cycle refresh device. Because that would be a really poor financial decision. And can you imagine the discourse if you had to buy a $700 console to replace your $500 console so you could play all the newest first party titles? On a device that has likely 4 years max before it is subplanted by the PS6? That would be a far more justified upset in my opinion.
30fps! 💪😡
Why buy a console when for roughly the same price you could buy a PC that does everything the console does and more? Yeah $700 is an insane price for what is effectively a toy.
It’s about the same as the inflation-adjusted PS3 price, but here’s the thing: the PS3 had a difficult first couple of years. If not for the Red Ring of Death, Microsoft could have come out ahead that generation. One thing Sony is good at is capitalizing on its competitors’ mistakes, and combined with price reductions on later models, they pulled out a victory. Being >$750 inflation-adjusted dollars at launch wasn’t why it won.
Also $700 isn’t going to buy you much of a PC if you don’t have one already. Maybe mid spec 1080p.
Not that I’m arguing for PC. I’m pro-console in most circumstances. Only for power modders, power gamers or power purchasers would I maybe argue that PC is the better route. Everyone else, console 100% (except this joke of a console).
Because PCs are worse for living room/controller gameplay, you have to deal with Windows or Linux, and many other factors?
I very much enjoy playing PC games with a controller on a big TV away from my desk. With an optical HDMI cable I’ve never had issues pushing 4k, 120hz, and HDR. Bluetooth mice and keyboards are incredibly common. And 8BitDo’s “Ultimate” controller has been really great over 2.4ghz.
My ps5 is collecting dust. I wish it was more like a Steam machine.
The PS5 in general has just felt like a nebulous console. I don’t know if it’s just me not being as connected to console gaming anymore or what, but there’s no PS5 games that are “must play” or anything that I’ve seen/read/heard hype about that has made me really interested. Partly there was the Covid years where it was apparently facing shortages and during that I just switched my mind off to the idea that I’d ever buy one. It’s been out for years now though, but nothing about it makes me care to move on from our PS4 that’s still chugging along.
Plus if you wait a few years PlayStation will release it on Steam and then you can play it on the deck.
I’ve been hoping that for years with bloodborne 😢
🏴☠️ yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum 🏴☠️
It’s been a really sad console generation. It could be because I got a steam deck, but only Nintendo seems to be putting out 1st party games that are any good (and even then it’s been hit or miss).
This makes no sense. Why would a company want their product to be sold out? The goal is to balance supply and demand. So they SHOULDN’T sell out. It’s not a limited edition product or anything. This post is sensationalized as fuck.
I think they’re implying a comparison to the PS4. It was notoriously difficult to get a PS4 for months after it’s release because it was constantly sold out
Um, 5. That was the ps5.
Thank you, forgot the PS5 has been out for a while lol
I think that the perfect storm of high demand and low supply ha. I’m sure Sony didn’t want that outcome.
He’s saying that it’s a good thing it hasn’t sold out yet, allowing it to have plenty of supply for Christmas season. It’s a good thing due to the PS5 previously being sold out everywhere last Christmas.
While I think it’s still too high a price point for me personally, it’s at least a logical increase in price because supply and demand has caused it to be increased.
Nobody wants to pay $310 ($80 for a disc drive, $30 for a stand) more for a machine that looks better if you pause the game and squint hard.
Here’s a good example:
Can’t see it? The PS5 Pro has added reflections on Venom’s back and right shoulder. The texture on the door of the Jeep is marginally improved.
It really is tough to see the doubled framerate when you pause the game.
What if I told you it’s not going to double the framerate either?
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2024/09/11/psa-ps5-pro-enhanced-games-may-only-run-at-30-fps/
The picture that you posted was from a demonstration showing the Pro mode looking similar to Fidelity while running at double the frame rate.
No point in high fps when consumers don’t know that their tv is only 60hz and they still have whatever motion smoothing options still turned on.
Well I’m a consumer and I can guarantee you that i can tell when a game is running at 30 vs 60 fps.
Still not buying a Pro though.
Pause twice
Just gotta pause faster!
It’s more, almost only, visible on the enemies venom is destroying. Overall it’s slightly less blurry.
Wait is that really how blurry it is in game? That would make me sick trying to play a game like I was nearsighted constantly.
I’m sure it got jpegged to hell by the various sites sharing it.
Who cares
still be sitting onthe shelf after the holidays at that price point
It’s not the price point. Most of the people who’d be in the market for one wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t take discs. When I bought my PS5, I specifically bought the disc version. So I’m not going to ‘upgrade’ to a machine that doesn’t have one and only really offers ‘improved performance’ as its main selling point. It just doesn’t make sense.
If you’re new to the platform and are used to buying only digital, it might be more palatable. But as someone who’s been with Sony since the very first PlayStation: I’m gonna pass.
Are PS5 games even playable offline straight from discs? Do you buy them just to save bandwidth?
These days I just assume nothing’s playable offline. It’s not like my PS5 is ever offline anyway, so it’s not really a point of concern for me.
The actual reason I like physical games is because they’re generally cheaper when they just release and get discounted far sooner than digital games.
For example: Armored Core VI costs 69,99 euros on PS Store.
An online game store here sells it for 19,99 brand new. That means I can buy a copy for myself, I can gift you copy, buy a third one to light on fire as a sacrifice to the gaming gods… and still have money left over for two frozen pizza’s.
That’s why I like physical.
I would have paid $700 for the Pro if it came with everything the 30th anniversary edition had, and maybe a little more if it also included the Portal.
Unfortunately, Sony can’t stop tripping over their own incompetence and limited the units to 12,300 for a reason that can be simplified to be: “money.” So it sold out in less than a minute to scalper’s bots and can now be found on eBay for five times the price.
I don’t get the hype for the anniversary edition.
I haven’t heard it would launch, and one day I saw people offering 2000$ for one on a trade site. My only thought was “wow, glad im not a fucking idiot like these guys”.
I sure might be stupid, but not that stupid.
It’s mainly the colors, but it came with some extras as well. And a paperclip.
Like I said, about $300 overpriced even with the additional items and only hyped due to limited edition. How many times has Nintendo released a console in NES colors without making it limited? Just a ridiculous move by Sony.
I bought some SNES shells to put on my joy cons. Was pretty cheap and decent fun. Even switched to hall effect sticks.
Didn’t even need Nintendo to produce them and sell them as a premium. eXtremeRate and probably many others let you make your own limited edition. As long as you don’t want any copyrighted trims like logos.
You forgot the 10k for “Attempting to buy the ps5 pro for you” lol
The supply chain problems of covid REALLY broke everyone.
Consoles selling out is actually “bad”. Why? Because they are closed gardens. If people can go down to best buy or browse amazon and pick up a console they are more likely to buy a few games to go with it. Rather than needing to frantically monitor five different discord servers to get into a queue as fast as possible to MAYBE get one. The former encourages browsing and impulse buys. The latter is basically only for people with very targeted shopping lists.
Also… it is not even October. MAYBE come early November you can start to make these assessments for that most holy of holidays, Black Friday. But hell day and xmas are still months out and the holiday rush of shopping hasn’t begun yet.
I personally see nothing compelling about the ps5 pro. But this is the equivalent of buying an xbox and saying microsoft are going to win because they have a stronger supply chain.
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