Some ideas are:
- You branch off into another timeline and your actions make no difference to the previous timeline
- You’ve already taken said actions but just didn’t know about it so nothing changes
- Actions taken can have an effect (so you could suddenly erase yourself if you killed your parents)
- Only “nexus” or fixed events really matter, the timeline will sort itself out for minor changes
- something else entirely
I really like the nothing is changeable and travel is possible and anything you do while traveling has already happened / was already going to happen concept
I wouldn’t say I “like” the idea, since it’s one of the most doomed ways for a universe to be, but Greg Egan’s Arrows of Time is a good exploration of this idea.
Its a one way trip. You can never go back to the original universe.
This is my biggest issue with multiverse time travel in popular culture. Somehow they always travel back and forth between 2 of Infinite timelines
Holy existential horror, Batman! By time traveling, you’ve just caused an entire universe full of new alternate-timeline versions of people to pop into existence. What happened to the timeline you left? It must still exist. You couldn’t have been the only consciousness that was experiencing it. To think otherwise is some extreme solipsism. Gosh, did some other time traveler create the timeline you left by entering it? For that matter, are you actually a duplicate, having just popped into existence with the memory of having time-traveled, but the timeline was created by another time traveler?
Alternatively, perhaps it’s another timeline out of an infinite number of possibilities that all co-exist? Yikes! That means there’s an infinity of each person across the multiverse. Therefore, you could just murder everybody within reach, and time travel back before your started the rampage. The lives in a particular timeline don’t matter, there are an infinity more. I think Rick & Morty did an episode with that premise.
What happened to the timeline you left? It must still exist. You couldn’t have been the only consciousness that was experiencing it. To think otherwise is some extreme solipsism.
Why does it need to remain? It seems like solipsism to assume it must remain because it’s your point of origin. If something or someone has the power to drop something into the past why wouldnt it overwrite everything? I don’t see why consciousness even gets applied. The universe keeps on whether I am alive, asleep, or dead.
I see the path of time like a laser beam in a house of mirrors. If someone has the power to add a mirror somewhere. Yep, the whole beam after the fact is a vastly different pattern. Any multiverse would be entirely virtual and theoretical.
Why does it need to remain? Because that timeline was populated by 8 billion human, and who knows how many non-human minds. I think it would be solipsism to think that only your own mind was the “real” one keeping the timeline in existence, and it collapsed because you leave it.
If the time travel power does overwrite everything, all of those minds and all of their subjective experiences are just, nothing? That’s where the existential horror comes in for me.
Oh I agree, it’s horrifying. And I have noooo guarantee that it’s me doing the jump. Don’t misunderstand I am NOT the only real mind in this example. I’m curently just hitching a ride on said laser beam. No guarantees that I will be the same or even exist if somebody so much as moves a pebble into the past from the future.
Existential dread all the way. If we get time travel I think it’s as horrifying a prospect as teleportation on a universal scale with only the traveller maintaining continuity.
Whichever one is objectively correct based on empirical evidence.
Fun fact: time travel does exist, and I am myself a time traveler. The fact that I’m travelling at one second per second along with everyone else is just a minor detail.
Imagine if someone just naturally traveled through time at like… 1.0005 seconds per second… What would that look like? Would we be able to tell? Would they be able to tell? Would their perception be different?
This is a Relativity thing, isn’t it? Like the astronaut twins sort of…
That’s exactly like being a bit closer to the bottom of a steep gravity well.
Yes, we could tell if they took a precise clock with them. In fact, we have to account for an even smaller discrepancy in order for GPS to work: we here stuck further down in Earth’s gravity well travel through time and extra ten milliseconds or so per year vs. an orbiting satellite.
Are we traveling through time? Or is time simply a universal constant of entropy? Everything you experience is energy flowing from a higher potential to a lower potential, with some “loss” to heat. Without that downward shuffle, a rock balanced on it’s tip is indistinguishable from a time-stopped version of itself.
Basically, time is your body’s sensation of the inevitable terror that is the heatdeath of the universe.
Why would it be less terrifying to be further away from a gravity well?
I think you meant this comment for a different thread.
Nope.
Okay. What did I say about gravity wells?
You implied that life would be more terrifying the faster you traveled through time, like what would happen at the bottom of a gravity well.
Where?
I have always been a fan of stable time loops so I guess option 2 is the best one for me.
One trope I’d like to see more of is loops which are not stable themselves, but are stable as a group. Eg a 2-loop has loop A in which someone goes back in time and changes history leading to a new timeline loop B. Someone in loop B later goes back in time and changes history in a way that turns the timeline back into loop A.
My headcanon is that your option 3 is basically an n-loop that we only see the first few loops of.
You may like the show Dark, if you haven’t already seen it.
Dark
The season 3 story was pretty much why I’m interested in this trope! Although I maintain Dark was not a stable time loop story, it just had the appearance of one.
Probably the branch off one.
Though, speaking of time travel, I really don’t understand/like the whole Harry Potter dementor (however it’s spelt) lake scene in the movie where future Harry saves past Harry. How does that work? Wouldn’t in an initial timeline Harry have to somehow save himself before he could travel back in time to save his past self? The way I see it, it just looks like an infinite cycle of Harry saving his past self with no origin point.
That’s called the bootstrap paradox if you want to look that up.
From a narrative sense the “nexus” theory is certainly the most amusing, which is probably why Terry Pratchett posited it works exactly that way on numerous occasions. It turns out that history really is kings and battles and speeches and dates, and in order for history to have actually happened someone has to observe those critical events. The things in between really don’t matter. History as a whole further finds a way of happening whether people are involved in it or not, and regardless of – or possibly despite – anyone attempting to hinder, help, or change it. The key events will always happen eventually. All anyone can do is slightly influence how long it takes for them to do so, which is why there are so many boring spans in history where it seemed like nothing really happened; That’s because it didn’t. Possibly until some history monk noticed, and came along to pull out whatever spanner was holding up the works.
- You branch off into another timeline and your actions make no difference to the previous timeline
New actions, new consequences.
This. Time traveling is a purely selfish endeavour.
Go back and kill Hitler? Congratulations! Only you understand what changed. Doesn’t help the 7 billion people you left in your original timeline.
But you now get to live in a cool alternate reality where the soviet union clashed directly with the allied forces as the axis never existed.
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Kirov reporting.
I subscribe to multiverse theory. It’s probably the safest route and probably most likely.
My belief is if you went to the past your actions would fully effect the future, no branches or anything else of course this will create paradoxes but if your a time traveller you will still exist even if you prevent your birth, if then you go back to the future there will be no record of your existence.
Hope that makes sense.
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What if you tried to change his dog’s name to something very unlikely? Like, I’m really pretty sure Hitler’s dog wasn’t named Bark Obama, but I really cannot be 100% sure.
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My personal favorite?
Space and time is an infinite number of parallel realities that constantly compress and unravel at every possible random chance. We are 4th (or 3.5th) dimensional beings that experience the most probable result aggregated from an infinite existence. If you time travel back in time, and change the past, it would not affect the your past, but it would affect your future, if you time traveled back to your current time.
In either scenario, I’m more interested in where the matter you’re made of will come from:
- Either you go to the past and suddenly add additional atoms to the universe.
- All the atoms you’re made of will suddenly be taken from their origin to form you.
- You’ll be made from entirely new atoms created from pure energy meaning your arrival will cost ~6.75 Quintillion as in 10^18 Joules (I eyeballed the speed of light here so don’t @ me).
Branch off probably
I was just reading this article about a mathematical understanding of closed time-like curves.
In essence, the argument is that time travel to the part is possible with a degree of free will, but you would not be allowed to alter the part in such a way as to remove the motivation for traveling back in time. E.g., it would be like Futurama where Fry kills his grandfather, but he impregnates his grandmother, this allowing himself to be born. The idea is that the timeline would correct itself and ensure that your future self will always return to the past.
The first one makes the most sense to me, which is why I think time travel should be used to make significant changes. Go big or go home
