I laughed when they showed their game chat mode as some accomplishment. They spent years just making discord…
Another funny moment was when the Civ VII dude said something like “if you already have Civ VII you will be able to play the enhanced switch 2 mode!.. After purchasing the upgrade.”
They’re so unapologetically greedy.
Yeah. Even bethesda just gave you the enchanced skyrim edition for free…
1080p on such a small screen is pointless, but if you’re into that by the price of one Nintendo game you can upgrade your steam deck screen https://www.deckhd.com/
120Hz is not that different from the decks 90Hz screen, although if you chose to do the upgrade above that downgrades you to 60.
Mouse mode, not sure what that is, but the deck has the best of it’s kind mouse emulation so I think it will be hard for the switch to compete.
Plus I get to keep my games, and whenever the SD2 comes out I’ll get to keep my games and not have to buy them again.
Yeah, Nintendo is smoking unfiltered crack, lol. Who the hell has $80-90 to throw at every game in the midst of an unnecessary economic downturn and possible worldwide meltdown?
Oh no, just a USA meltdown. Trump isn’t great for other economies, but we still have the rest of the world to trade with. The only thing he is achieving is making the usa less relevant by the day.
It will still cause other countries economies to shrink, as most economies are interlinked in the modern age; but even with the loss in GDP, removing US trade/tech/military reliance is definitely for the better imo. The USA positioning themselves alongside Russia has woke up the rest of the world to the fact that America isn’t simply arrogant… It’s also dangerous.
I don’t see a way back for the US in all honesty. The problem isn’t the rogue state behaviour, it’s the virile support for such actions seen from many of their citizens. In the coming years we’ll no doubt see American military bases being shutdown across the globe, in retaliation to their animosity, and it will only continue further until the US is a pariah state.
I suppose it’s some solace that the democrats are able to somewhat slow the implosion of the US through the senate, but that won’t be enough to stop them falling out of favour with the rest of the world, and thus losing a huge part of their power. And I have to wonder, is this the exact outcome Putin wanted (America surviving, but struggling… Allowing them to exist as the bad guy, Rather than complete desolation), or just a happy accident after getting Krasnov elected?.
It’s because a significant portion of our population are complete dumbasses.
One third of the country are bigots believing every piece of propaganda.
One third of our country doesn’t think politics affects them.
10-15% (ballparking) have good political intentions, but don’t think voting will solve anything.
That leaves about 20-25% to actually contribute politically with critical thinking skills and understanding various social issues.
Yeah we’re fucked.
Stocks are down all over the globe, not sure if you noticed.
Not to mention, Nintendo games usually don’t go down in price over time as much.
As much? I don’t think ever. Breath of the Wild is still it’s release price despite it’s sequel, in the same world but with more content, being out and the same price. They’re insane.
And Pokemon games only increase in price over time.
In the Switch era, they don’t at all. Nintendo Selects isn’t a thing any more.
Yeah, the company has gone full greed mode since Iwata’s passing. I know the point of a business is to make money and all that but he at least kept things fair for the consumer.
This kinda feels like Sony’s PS3 announcement, but Nintendo can get away with more than Sony could then.
Hopefully this system isn’t the smashing success that the first Switch was and it humbles them a bit. Beyond the price gouging, the novelty of the concept has worn some and this system really doesn’t do anything all that exciting beyond improved visuals (which doesn’t excite me as somebody who already has a good PC).
I’m a really huge Nintendo fan who has owned every one of their systems besides the Virtual Boy and bought most of those at launch. I was almost certainly going to purchase a Switch 2 as soon as I could… yet yesterday’s lackluster software reveals followed up by the outrageous pricing has me saying the scalpers can have this one and Nintendo can go to hell.
It’s likely that you’re right and people are going to line up to reward them for this and it will lead to price increases across the entire industry unfortunately.
I even had a Virtual Boy! Although I bought it for like $25 after it had already failed.
I guess we’ll see just how much of Nintendo’s market is made up of fans with lots of expendable income vs. parents buying stuff for their kids.
Yeah, I think that’s another huge factor that made the Switch so successful! It was priced at a point that households had multiple units and multiple copies of games like Kart and Smash. Only people doing really well are going to be able to swing that at these prices.
How does one filter crack? I need to know for my pulmonary health.
I could be wrong, but doesn’t the process of cooking the cocaine into crack kind of “filter” it so to speak?
Not in the slightest. It only cuts it so you can increase your yield at the cost of needing to sell a fundamentally different product.
I’ve never been good at chemistry, so I’m probably misremembering…
My understanding was that the cocaine’s chemical structure is what reacts with the baking soda (and heat), leaving the adulterants to burn off. I guess unless they share the same property that binds the cocaine with the baking soda. The baking soda isn’t meant to increase weight, there is an actual chemistry-based reason that it’s used.
It’s why people stopped “free-basing” cocaine once crack came around. “Free-base” is a chemistry term, and the reaction with the baking soda is what makes it no longer “free-base.”
It weighs more because of the baking soda, but that’s just like a substrate to deliver the cocaine, not an adulterant meant to make it weigh more.
Again, could be wrong and don’t feel like looking it up because I don’t really care about crack or cocaine
I think the filter is to stop shards of burning crack from going into your mouth/throat.
Cooking usually refers to removing salts necessary for mucous absorption to make smoked crack more palatable and injected crack not lethal. I haven’t done crack yet.
I get your point, but I’ll probably end up paying that. The exclusives are pricey but I almost always end up playing them for 50-100+ hours each, so I can’t really complain 🤷♂️
This line of thinking is why we are being price gouged to begin with.
“it’s $20 for a skin… Eh I’ll buy it.” I have friends that do that. Meanwhile I almost never buy a game at launch because I’ll just wait for a sale and for the game to be fixed post launch.
The trouble is, Nintendo games don’t even go on sale, so you can’t do that. Nintendo used to be the affordable accessible console. Now they’re the opposite.
I haven’t had a desire to play their games luckily, but the emulators are good. I tried Pokémon Arceus with one and it ran flawlessly. The game was boring as hell from what I played, but I wanted to see how it functioned compared to the older games I know.
Yeah. I was providing context and a small joke in relation to the comment about how we got here. I mostly play Steam games anyway.
A few years ago my wife bought a switch, we occasionally play it, but yes I saw the games were basically never on sale.
You do realize that video game prices haven’t increased with inflation in years, right? A $60 game in 2008 would be $88 today just from inflation. This isn’t price gouging, it’s inflation correction.
It doesn’t matter if a $60 game in 2008 is worth $88 now if wages haven’t gone up to match that. Did you know that (at least in the US) food prices usually aren’t included in inflation calculations because they fluctuate too much? People have other things to pay for with their wages that aren’t video games, and those costs aren’t going down either.
Literally nothing ever has stayed in lockstep with wages, that’s not even relevant to the discussion at hand. Not sure why you think video games would be special, especially video games by Nintendo, solijce they’re literally the last ones on the “raise video game prices” train.
Entertainment is not a necessity, it’s not like people need it to survive. When it doesn’t move with wages people find ways to make it affordable (e.g. piracy, 2nd hand markets, or sharing physical copies with friends), or they find something else (steam, indie games, etc.). Wages are directly responsible for game prices in a lot of ways, and there are pretty good Steam statistics on this as well (which is why a lot of Steam games aren’t priced with 1:1 conversions in different regions, because doing so would basically price entire regions out of buying games).
Pricing fans out of games is exactly how AAA studios go under. A big AAA game flopping is basically a death sentence for a studio in the current landscape, and if Microsoft isn’t immune to that then Nintendo definitely isn’t.
And in addition to what Zangoose said, your argument ignores the basic principle of technological progress: as industries mature, costs typically decrease, not increase. Economies of scale, automation, and digital distribution should all lower the cost of making and selling a game over time.
A $60 game in 2008 had to be printed on physical discs, boxed, shipped to stores, and supported with traditional advertising. Today, most games are sold digitally, cutting out huge portions of that overhead. Studios also reuse engines, assets, and development pipelines now more than ever.
Sure, inflation is real—but so are productivity gains. If your costs are going up despite all these efficiencies, that’s not just inflation—it’s mismanagement or greed. Consumers don’t owe companies an inflation-adjusted price just because they want to maintain record-breaking profits and raise prices.
Uh, video games have VERY famously not been decreasing in cost to create- AAA games cost VASTLY more to create now than in 2008. The teams are much, much larger, for one.
It’s a trend I personally think is stupid and unnecessary, but productivity gains aren’t really happening that way in game dev.
CEO pay has also increased VASTLY, something isn’t quite adding up here. 🤔
Yeah, sales have also gone way up.
At this point in the world I just want to reward one of the few companies that has yet to screw me over. Everything I’ve ever bought from Nintendo still works to this day, and I’m generally expecting it to work forever. No one else is making products like that, it’s all short-term shareholder profits-- who cares about the customer? If you want to pay what garbage is priced at, you’ll get garbage in the end.
Imagine simping for a soulless corporation who doesn’t give of fuck if you exist. How is anything nintendo doing consumer friendly? You’re definitely on that copium, champ.
I’m just speaking from personal experience, friend. I understand someone will probably have a list of like 10 links of counterexamples handy but I can say with fair confidence they probably haven’t affected me. Hell, my original joycons actually still work, though I did buy my Switch a couple years after release. And I’m not simping for anything, I will 100% change my stance the day Nintendo starts screwing me over 🤷♂️
Worldwide? Trump is ruining the US economy only
So fun fact the world’s economies are interlinked and most countries have a ton of money in US banks and stocks.
Remember 2008/2009 recession? This was cause by the USA economy, but affected the entire world.
As others pointed out, it’s not only the US economy that will be hit, but also everyone that trades with them.
To illustrate some examples, Canadian aluminum might end up with 25% tariffs. That means anything made within the USA that uses said aluminum will get a price increase. Canadian companies might end up with a surplus, since their main customers won’t be buying as much (instead of paying 100 dollars for a tonne, 'mericans will pay 125 dollars per tonne). That surplus will drive prices down if they can’t find someone else to buy the aluminum.
Since the tariffs aren’t only on Canadian aluminum, but a lot of stuff from a lot of countries, some of that stuff will end up with a significant surplus and no new buyers. For smaller countries that rely on USA exports, that’s going to hurt a lot.
I also saw one analysis that suggested the increased cost of buying could decrease trade and therefore shrink the economies the US usually buys from, depressing the shrunken economies dollar values and effectively cancelling out the cost of the tarrif
ROFL you really have no idea how things work huh
Even if you think it’s not worldwide, you do realise some countries and regions rely heavily upon trading with the US. And it will cause inflation, though how much depends on what will actually happen now.
The world economy is dependent on countries like the USA.
Lol
“Mouse mode”
Yeah, the Steam Deck has that. Its called dual touchpads, and unlike the Switch 2 you can easily switch from analog stick to touchpad (they also have more functionality and are actually utilized to their full potential with desktop mode).
Nintendo games never come down in price either.
BotW is still going for what it did on day one. Even second hand copies go for nearly that.
Although it does mean you can basically rent them for as long as you want for a few dollars if you sell it again afterwards…
Switch l2
That made me laugh way to hard.
I think Cisco is working to remove the points about uptime and not having lags/crashes
That’s why you don’t buy Cisco
(For anyone who wasn’t alive in the late 90’s or 00’s this is a rapper named Sisqó, famous for his highly intellectual song called “Thong Song”)
We are currently moving away from cisco because they want 12k+ for a new switch. Juniper or HP for us i think.
Why’d you ommit the price of the layer 2 switch? curious
If we’re talking home use, you can buy enterprise switches for less than $100 on the secondary market. I got a 1GB PoE 24 port managed switch for $35.
I believe I found the switch but can’t find the price - IXR-G24044X-24PH
Steam deck is also backwards compatible with nearly all of Nintendo.
Something tells me that the Deck will be compatible with “way more” than old games in the near future… Some times an emulator goes down, and two or more rise up.
We’re lucky Valve has fuck you money for when Nintendo inevitably come after them
Comes after them for what? Selling small computers?
yeah, or infringing on their “patents” lmfao
Remember they got a patent for catching monsters using balls just to start a lawsuit against Palworld, and if my memory doesn’t fail me, they tried to patent some stupidly base mechanic in Zelda TotK (like using local coordinates for constructs).
I’m not sure they wouldn’t try to get a patent for the concept of “handheld gaming console” because they came up with the Game Boy.
Soon as I heard about the price of games I was out
We have a switch 1 and the game price has been the driving factor preventing us from investing more in the platform. The games are too expensive, go on sale too infrequently and not for low enough prices. Just not the ecosystem for my family right now
Yeah, I have a Switch too but it’s not been turned on in maybe two years, getting a Steam Deck basically retired it
All this has done is make me want a steam deck even harder.
I have a steam deck oled and love it, but the SOC is slightly old now and was never the fastest. If you’re playing slightly older games or are fine with slightly lower settings, than it’s still great.
SteamOS is great, but I think you can install it on other handhelds as well. It sounds like current competition isn’t great unless you’re willing to pay a bit more and the steam deck 2 isn’t rumored to come out soon, so the steam deck is probably still worth purchasing tho.
I love it.
I saw Elden Ring worked for Steam Deck, and I either had to buy a new graphics card or get the Deck, and I chose wisely.
I’m done giving money to Nintendo. Their litigious behavior is inexcusable. Just ask the parrot on my shoulder. He’s on the same side as my eye patch.
Excited for Switch 2 emulation on Steam Deck in a few years
The display supports 1080p+120hz, games running at that res and fps will be rare I imagine. I mean, it would be amazing but Xbox also supports 4k 120 and it usually runs Up to 1440p upscaled 30fps so idk how much it will really differ from what we’ve already got.
I’m skeptical about 4 hour Elden Ring session.
$90?
Shit.
Metroid Prime 4 and The Duskbloods don’t sound perfect after all
At least a regular Switch version of Metroid Prime 4 will also be available. Other options for playing those.
$80 for physical $70 for digital.
Oh wow, I didn’t realize physical manufacturing, storage, transport and sale was only $10!
It might be even less than that, but it’s there so just so they can say we still accept physical though we discourage it!
Other way, I think. 80 for digital, 90 for physical. In USD anyways.
Jesus Christ, it’s around $60 in Japan, so old prices
Don’t forget tariffs if that’s not factored in yet…
Pretty sure tariffs are part of the reason for the $80/90 price points
Oh wow! I can buy a digital game worth the same price as a physical game! What a deal! /s
I’ll be waiting for the Tinfoil discount.
“The future is Here!!!”
Plus, with the Steamdeck you have more games to play than just Nintendo games or old games you played years ago but have to pay more to play them again on worse hardware.
Who the hell is paying 90EUR for switch games?
Nintendo fanboys, they would jump off a cliff if asked.
I consider myself a Nintendo fanboy. I’ve owned every console.
Would not jump off a bridge.
However, these game prices are too high. I don’t think third party games will be that price but first party games will be there.
Something tells me all new AAA games are going to be touching that price. I mean, they already do if you factor in the stupid elite wtf editions and deluxe pro plus editions. Hell, they’re more like $130-$150 after DLC is all said and done.
Same, owned every console since the NES. This one’s a pass for me. Maybe Nintendo will be humbled and bring their pricing back down to Earth in the future, but I doubt it.
Too young to have owned every console and don’t care enough, but I am a fan of many games and the community. Nintendo the company hates its fans, that is widely known.
I’m not gonna buy it for that price. Especially not as a student. Especially not while ☠️ isn’t a thing yet.
They have gotten greedy. There needs to be a Wii-U era again.
There needs to be a Wii-U era again.
I agree, they need to be humbled, but I have no idea whether they will or not. While the economy is working against them, a LOT of people liked the Switch, and this is a more powerful one rather than a hard-to-understand mess like the Wii U. Genuinely curious to see how the Switch 2 does. My best guess is “modest success.”
I crave for the earlier days of the 3DS to happen again, please Nintendo fan base, I have a bit of faith.
Well no one is paying that for PC games either so
The funniest part is that the best selling video game of all time (Minecraft) currently has an MSRP of less than $30, which technically gets you 2 games because Microsoft/Mojang maintain 2 completely separate codebases for Minecraft (Java edition and bedrock edition) and has to design, program, test and debug everything twice, once for each codebase
I know my work colleague is not. His Switch was cracked for I think 100+ eur which seems quite high, but since you can afterwards download pretty much any title from some pirate marketplace, that investment has been covered at least tenfold.
Me and millions of others. If you account for inflation, there has been higher prices in the past.
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Being rude for no reason is a bad look
My question was genuine, and not rude at all, absolute majority of people can’t afford to buy $90 game every month, nor should they.
Your question was a good one, but still rude. You’re more likely to get a satisfying answer if you don’t pose the premise that the person you’re replying to must be dumb if they’re not rich.
Because inflation applies to all products equally and there aren’t ever relative adjustments /s
What games currently cost that much though, is my question really, I guess. The last expensive titles I can see right now for standard editions of games is like, 70Eur equivalent for AAA type titles.
Nice to see an adult reaction in this thread. You have a good point and I’m very curious why Nintendo made these choices. Maybe it could have to do with the current value of the Japanese yen? I’m not an economist though, so I’m just guessing right now.
Wild. Possibly market rates are different - don’t know if the EUR is particularly weak right now? I don’t follow the conversion rates…
I mean I own a switch, and I’ve never paid anything close to that for games… I’ve gone to maybe £45-50 for launch titles but what games cost £70?
But if you account for average wages, the prices are higher now.
