Maybe I’m just face-blind or being dense but the photos from the scene of the crime look like a different dude than the ginning hostel check in guy. The jackets and backpacks are different. Although people can have multiple jackets and backpacks. We don’t see much of the shooters face but the eyebrows look different. Although, people can pluck/shave eyebrows. I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?

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    I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?

    I sure as fuck wouldn’t. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they’re scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I’m innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide “he had a knife” and just outright kill you. You know how they say “anything you say can be used against you?” That’s because they absolutely won’t use it to help you, even if you’re not guilty of anything.

    I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD’s neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody – anybody – over this because they’re looking even more like chumps than usual.

    So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.

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      The cops need to present a suspect so they can say they did their job. Whether it’s the right suspect is another matter.

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      And if the cops do ask and want to pursue questioning you … you don’t talk to the cops in this situation and just ask for a lawyer … they ask what your name is - lawyer … what is your date of birth - lawyer … where are you from? lawyer … lawyer, lawyer, lawyer

      Never talk to the cops, especially when the cops are desperately looking for a suspect.

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        A dead suspect checks the boxes. Can’t dispute facts with evidence. Allows the media to say they got him. Gives them an easy victory.

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          The CEOs get a false sense of security and are lured out of hiding. Then the real killer guns down another one. Rinse and repeat.

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            C’mon man! You should have ended with “Another one bites the dust”.

            Then we could all have it playing in our head!

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        Massad Ayoub is the man when it comes to firearms and law. I know of no one more expert.

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      Making a murderer is all you have to see to know this is the truth. I feel so bad for that family.

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      You are correct. I’ve been watching a lot of true crime on YouTube lately and regardless whether someone is guilty or innocent, it seems it is ALWAYS in your best interest to get lawyered up and keep quiet if the cops are interrogating you.

      I have mixed feelings about the guilty assholes, because it’s frustrating seeing someone give up their rights and be so open about their crimes but on the other hand, I’m glad they’re so dumb so they can be removed from society and punished.

      But it is nothing but frustration seeing innocent people go through that out of genuine sincerity. “I have nothing to hide, so I’ll be open with the cops.” Fucking do not. No matter how low the statistic actually is, there is too much at stake to risk encountering someone who twists your words and uses it against you to frame you so they can close a case.

      Lawyer up and shut up. Don’t talk to cops as much as you can help it. Especially don’t volunteer to have your name cleared.

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      Especially just murdering you. Lot harder to get a corpse to testify that they didn’t do it. Makes it a LOT easier to say “well, they did it, but they’re dead now, case closed.”

      • Just imagine this is green text.

        Nab the wrong guy

        Shoot him in the back 53 times while screaming “stop resisting!”

        Investigate ourselves, find no wrongdoing

        “Case closed, boys!”

        Police chief gets got by The Adjuster the next day…

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      This is sound advice. There are too many bad actors among cops to trust them to be impartial or fair.

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      I bet they stop releasing info because of the public reaction. At this poiny, they want us to forget and not have copycats. They’re scared.

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      Wow. Dood. Your reality sounds stressful.

      Its like an episode of Law and Order but in real life!

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    CNN and others just put the photos out without verification. No official photos have been released. CNN even said as much in their article

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        “Hi we’re CNN. We don’t really have reporters. We regurgitate random shit we find on social media. Liberal, conservative… Suck my dick we’re CNN and we’re always just fucking there butching reality so you stay angry and we stay relevant. Fuck you.”

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        That’s pretty much how most modern, corporate news outlets operate: irresponsibly.

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      Well that sucks.

      Also, can’t stop thinking about that episode of The Newsroom with Boston marathon bombing. 10 years since it aired and this shit is only getting worse.

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    Feel free to upload more pictures claiming to be him that aren’t, post them to Reddit, send them to the news claiming to be from an official source.

    Protect your folk heros America.

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    Backpack & jacket type AND color are all different. The other dude even has his hood from a hoodie beneath the jacket while the first one has his hood from his jacket. Facially also completely different. I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.

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      I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.

      Maybe they have always been at Reddit doxxing levels?

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      The killer seems pretty competent, having multiple jackets and backpacks and switching things up to make it harder to track him doesn’t seem unreasonable.

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        I thought you were joking (missing /s) but judging by the comments you mean it?

        I don’t think this sounds plausible, no. You’d try to make yourself look completely every time if that were the case.

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        Having two dudes wearing similar stuff also doesn’t sound unreasonable. It’s really inconclusive and could do a shit ton of harm to an innocent person if the police got this wrong.

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          Totally agree, just saying that clothes are easy to change if you’re a motivated and competent killer. I trust the police about as far as they can shoot my dog from.

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        And what proof do you have of the killer doing that? The only reason they posted the other dude is because he has a vaguely similar outfit style (backpack + hood, which is incredibly common among younger people, especially during this type of weather). If I were the killer I’d not switch into similar clothes, but something completely different.

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          Why so aggressive? They might not be confused. They could just as easily be deliberately lying to frame someone else since the real killer is gone and that makes them look bad.

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            Hanlon’s razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

            That said, we’re talking cops here, who are notorious both for being malicious (ACAB) and stereotypically incompetent, often at the same time, so the usual odds (which massively favour incompetence, hence the adage) might not apply.

            Also, a lot of people feel sympathy for this particular murderer (and / or enough well justified, earned, and deserved antipathy towards the victim that it overcomes what antipathy towards murderers they might normally have), so they might be aggressive towards anyone who appears to favour him getting caught.

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    The clothing color could be due to lighting. Remember the blue black dress meme? Multiple backpacks is too easy. So that’s a non-issue.

    That being said. Why isn’t anyone considering that maybe the cops couldn’t give a shit either. But they have to try because the money people said so.

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      I don’t think lighting makes a light grey backpack into black. That’s a bit of a stretch. Especially considering the jacket on the left have no chest pockets. The one on the right has massive pocket flaps like they are the main character.

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        It’s more than incompetent. It’s that they can’t get caught. That there is a way to execute and not be held accountable. If that knowledge hits the masses it’s a public relations nightmare.

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      How do you explain the different pockets and completely different backpack, then?

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      That’s what I think as well. The assassin hopped on a bike and pedaled off to Central Park.

      Personally I think he had a different clothes going into the city. Changed in CP, Stole a bike, then biked to the hotel did the deed. Biked back to CP ditched the clothes and bike and left the city.

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    Reminder even facial-recognition softwares & Geo-Location data HAVE made errors that put innocent people in jail

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    I keep seeing the backpack as not matching, I don’t get how these are considered the same person, unless is going to be the next blue-black white-gold thing.

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      Yeah, the jacket is very different as well if you look at the front chest area. While people do say maybe he just changed his clothes, the problem is if he also changed his backpack, he couldn’t have just put the clothes in the backpack, meaning he would’ve had to have left them somewhere and there would’ve been a trail that probably would’ve been found by now. It doesn’t really add up for them to be the same person.

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        Unless he put the clothes in the backpack and put all of that into the other backpack, Backpackception! It sounds really silly though, like he purposely changed his clothes ever so slightly, just enough that a few people would call it out, instead of changing into a completely different outfit, which would’ve been more effective IMO. It’s just alot of work for little benefit, people come up with the weirdest theories.

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      I mean, typically I’d agree with you, but there’s a small chance that this is smarter than a lot of people are initially thinking (but still fucked up none the less) … maybe someone at NYPD found a video / picture of a dude that they know was not the dude. Maybe they have evidence that the guy in this picture in the green jacket is 100% innocent. Maybe they arrest him, his lawyer gets him out and they all of a sudden have no leads at all. Cold case.

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    Wow. Dark haired male in dark hooded jacket and back pack. Rare. I see slightly less than 30 such most days.

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    These are not the same person. They fit the description, and where near the scene. Police would want to talk to both regardless.

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    I was curious when I was hearing the police chatter saying the suspect was wearing a “cream-coloured” jacket, when in the assassination footage it’s pretty undeniably black or a dark colour at least.

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      The fabric looks different too. Like the shooter’s jacket seems to have a texture like gore-tex and the hostel guy’s jacket seems more like a cotton-poly weave. It’s hard to know for sure with the low quality images, but the colors look really different (and neither is anything close to cream)

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        The pockets are alone to give away that Hostel guy is wearing a “field jacket” cotton blend while Agent 47 is wearing a ECWCS cold/wet weather top. He could have two jackets and all that but they’re different jackets.

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      Never underestimate how actively worthless “eyewitness” testimony is.

      I was not aware of this detail. But if it were just bystanders telling stuff to cops before they got a hold of the footage, they are going to go with it. Especially since it is already pretty worthless to begin with (so many jackets are easily reversed).

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    The first back pack is white. The second one is very dark white almost black. The first jacket has white buttons, the second jacket has dark white buttons almost black. The first jacket has buttons, the second one looks like a special kind of button where the buttons on one side intermesh with the buttons on the otherwise in a zigzag pattern… I bet those have a name like zigzaper or zigper, who knows.

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      The first one is a dark brown or green zip up with a built in hood, the second one is a green button up over a hoodie.

      They’re barely similar. The NYPD has too much of nothing.

      It’s like these:

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        Could be green. I’ll ask Pete when he comes out of hiding from under the bed. I assume Prez Trump will be pardoning Pete. When he does pardon Pete, he’s going to everyone’s darling. I can’t talk for all Americans, but definitely, all #1’s will love Trump personally. With enough love, anything is possible. I mean lube. 1 in, 1 out, 1 in again, that little hook at the top of the 1 really does beg for lube…anyway what was the question? I hope I answered correctly.